a bit rich coming from a brexit sup[porter here. I refer you to post 6286, to the point evidence of smearing. actually it was a question (you note the "?"), based on fact (Nigel's undeclared offshore interests). I'm trying to establish what motivated voters, like you, to vote brexit. so far xenophobia and escaping from eu regulation that protects ordinary citizens are the only motives that have been made visible. do you have anything other than that to justify this attempt to destroy liberal democracy and the UK economy?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I still maintain that Farage brought about the referendum.
All that you say regarding the electoral system and expenses can apply equally to any mainstream political party. It doesn't make it right, but expenses claiming is not unique to UKIP and all that you say can be said about any of them.
but you don't find any of us condoning it, or keith vaz's frolics; you see condoning farage,as you do, matters, a great deal - its the essence of populism, cult of personality politics, a bit like obtuse housewives in usa who allege all men talk about raping women in private, that it's perfectly normal, its the thin end of a very ugly wedge of unaccountability. stop condoning it.
Elliot Morley, Jim Devine , David Chaytor. All convicted expenses fiddlers. Not a UKIP MEP amongst 'em.
If anyone has evidence of criminality by committed UKIP or their MEPs, you need to report it to the police.
I don't know. MPs have gone to prison (Elliot Morley, Jim Devine , David Chaytor). Perhaps there is insufficient evidence? Perhaps there is no evidence? Or no more evidence than for many other MPs, so if they locked UKIP up, they would need to lock up MPs across the board.
yup, that's the only possible conclusion, I'm sincerely still hoping shemozzle will give us that missing enlightened justification for it all..
derf, let's look at what has happened. Nigel Farage has met with the future president of the United States. On the face of it, the meeting appears to have been friendly and good natured. What is so terrible about two people from different nations extending warmth and friendship to each other? I'd like to see more of it.
And I'm sure that had there been sufficient evidence, he would have been charged.
If you refuse to understand the conversation is pointless.
But then brexit relies heavily on this don't bother me with facts syndrome and closed minds that excuse any act, dishonesty, or lies
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yup, let's take it all completely out fo context, let's try to distract everyone from the bigger picture, farage's xenophobia, trump's racism, may's headless chicken impersonating. let's pretend it wasn't as well documented on the bbc a deliberate coup
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37965089
come on tillson, be serious, we are not kiddies outside a school gate thinking it's all about the sweeties (and not the dark car and a trip into a nightmare)
I'm not condoning it derf, I am saying that fraud is not exclusively associated with UKIP, in fact I don't think there has been anyone prosecuted from UKIP. Fraud is unacceptable, regardless of party.
no, the tacit refrain in your posts are "everyone else does it so it must be ok". no offence, but I'm sure that kind of rationalising started many things in history, including the holocaust
derf, that is unfair.
In post #6589 I said;
Again not condoning expenses fraud.
The point I am making is that fraud, if it exists within UKIP or any other party, is unacceptable and that it is unfair to claim that only UKIP MEPs are involved.