Brexit, for once some facts.

[Wicky]

When he was democratically elected as an MEP.

He's an MEP (Member of the European Parliament) an a self-appointed mission to bathe his ego in the reflected glory of Trump's swollen ego. I wonder if he's put the cost of his flight and accomodation on his EU / UKIP expenses or paid out of his own pocket

"When asked ahead of the meeting if Mr Trump had invited him, Mr Farage joked to reporters: "We're just tourists."

 

[tillson]

Don't talk utter rot !

This may be your considered opinion, but that does not make it so.

 

[tillson]

So what? Are you now saying any unelected fool can represent this country?
The lib dems greens, etc aren't out there making fools of themselves and us, are they?

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Nigel is an elected person, he represents us within the European Parliament. As to whether the Lib Dems, Greens or SNP are making fools of themselves? Ask 10 people and you will receive a range of answers.

All that I am saying is that Trump seems to have admiration for Nigel Farage and clearly wanted to meet with him, probably to thank him for his support. I'm sure that he will get around to Mrs May, then some of the less important countries and eventually the EU in due course.

 

[shemozzle999]

He's an MEP (Member of the European Parliament) an a self-appointed mission to bathe his ego in the reflected glory of Trump's swollen ego.

I refer you to the post #6583 above for my reply.

With thanks to tillson

 

[derf]

Nigel is an elected person, he represents us within the European Parliament. As to whether the Lib Dems, Greens or SNP are making fools of themselves? Ask 10 people and you will receive a range of answers.

All that I am saying is that Trump seems to have admiration for Nigel Farage and clearly wanted to meet with him, probably to thank him for his support. I'm sure that he will get around to Mrs May, then some of the less important countries and eventually the EU in due course.

So,representative democracy has become altogether populist cult of personality bs. The cherry on top is your between the lines admiration for "Nigel". Touching. A bit like me beginning to fondly talk about Jeremy instead of corbyn. Also completely naive. Are you completely unaware of " Nigel"s abuse of expenses,tax avoidance?

 

[oldgroaner]

Nigel is an elected person, he represents us within the European Parliament. As to whether the Lib Dems, Greens or SNP are making fools of themselves? Ask 10 people and you will receive a range of answers.

All that I am saying is that Trump seems to have admiration for Nigel Farage and clearly wanted to meet with him, probably to thank him for his support. I'm sure that he will get around to Mrs May, then some of the less important countries and eventually the EU in due course.

Farage was not elected to represent anyone anywhere at the EU parliament.
Your strange affection for this phoney is blinding you to the fact he has no authority whatsover to push his own agenda with the President of the United States.
Once again you drift way off the point which has nothing to do with anyone other than Farage's actions, but as usual when you have no rational answer you fall back on trying diversionary tactics.
Why is Farage not earning his keep attending the EU parliament? that is what he is paid to do and studiously avoids,

 

[oldgroaner]

I refer you to the post #6583 above for my reply.

With thanks to tillson

Why don't you have a reply of your own that makes more sense than tillson has failed to do?
Farage has no authority to interfere, intrude or influence matters of state between the UK the USA
In fact he has no reason any longer to appear anywhere but at the EU parliament which is what he is paid and fails to do.

 

[tillson]

Are you completely unaware of " Nigel"s abuse of expenses,tax avoidance?

I don't know about Nigel's expenses or any tax avoidance schemes he may or may not be associated with. I would be disappointed if anything underhand had taken place.

I don't think he can be singled out over expenses. Look at the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, caught with his fingers in the till and had to put the cheese back! There has been the duck house saga, the moat cleaning on expenses. It's all a mess and unacceptable across the board, so you can't single Nigel out.

Goodness knows what un-holy acts of depravity Keith Vaz has been up to and I have no wish to contemplate them. However, the mainstream political parties allow him to continue as an MP and to serve on the Home Affairs Select Committee! I hear that he is standing for Mayor of Sodom at the next election.

 

[derf]

I don't know about Nigel's expenses or any tax avoidance schemes he may or may not be associated with. I would be disappointed if anything underhand had taken place.

I don't think he can be singled out over expenses. Look at the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, caught with his fingers in the till and had to put the cheese back! There has been the duck house saga, the moat cleaning on expenses. It's all a mess and unacceptable across the board, so you can't single Nigel out.

Goodness knows what un-holy acts of depravity Keith Vaz has been up to and I have no wish to contemplate them. However, the mainstream political parties allow him to continue as an MP and to serve on the Home Affairs Select Committee! I hear that he is standing for Mayor of Sodom at the next election.

of course you don't.nudge.nudge.wink.wink.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/21/nigel-farage-tax-haven-trust-fund-mistake
I have a hunch you and shemozzle's fervent support for "Britain first" may have something to do with similar "self/isle of man" first interests?

 

[tillson]

Farage was not elected to represent anyone anywhere at the EU parliament.
Your strange affection for this phoney is blinding you to the fact he has no authority whatsover to push his own agenda with the President of the United States.
Once again you drift way off the point which has nothing to do with anyone other than Farage's actions, but as usual when you have no rational answer you fall back on trying diversionary tactics.
Why is Farage not earning his keep attending the EU parliament? that is what he is paid to do and studiously avoids,

A short time ago, I posted several video clips of Farage at work within the European Parliament.

I agree, this is generally getting away from the topic of BREXIT, but I think Trump has admiration for the BREXIT decision and obviously sees Nigel Farage as the man who brought it about. Add to this that he supported Donald Trump during his election and I can understand entirely why the two men wanted to meet.

I can also understand why this will be worrying some of the shakers and movers within the EU.

 

[oldgroaner]

A short time ago, I posted several video clips of Farage at work within the European Parliament.

I agree, this is generally getting away from the topic of BREXIT, but I think Trump has admiration for the BREXIT decision and obviously sees Nigel Farage as the man who brought it about. Add to this that he supported Donald Trump during his election and I can understand entirely why the two men wanted to meet.

I can also understand why this will be worrying some of the shakers and movers within the EU.

Farage brought what about? all he did was frighten Cameron into giving in to having the referendum to avoid losing votes to UKIP.
The one who brought this debacle about was Cameron.
Sorry but as usual you are putting "spin" on the facts

 

[tillson]

Farage brought what about? all he did was frighten Cameron into giving in to having the referendum to avoid losing voted to UKIP.
The one who brought this debacle about was Cameron.
Sorry but as usual you are putting "spin" on the facts

I'm sorry, I disagree. The EU referendum would never have happened had it not been for Nigel Farage. The people would never have been given a say, ever.

 

[oldgroaner]

Farage brought what about? all he did was frighten Cameron into giving in to having the referendum to avoid losing Conserative votes to UKIP.
The one who brought this debacle about was Cameron.
Sorry but as usual you are putting "spin" on the facts

I'm sorry, I disagree. The EU referendum would never have happened had it not been for Nigel Farage. The people would never have been given a say, ever.

So all on his own this man without being the mouthpiece for anyone and out of his own pocket did all that?
So all the lies told about the EU by a factions of the Tory party never happened and there never was opposition to the EU before Farage appeared as the Messiah?
Ha ha ha Ha, pull the other leg, it's got bells on as the saying goes.
The new party's initial successes were all in the proportional representation elections for the European Parliament - winning its first three seats in 1999 with 7% of the vote.
So in fact they never won a single first past the post vote, did they?
Original leader and UKIP founder Alan Sked quit before the 1999 European elections, after arguing the party should refuse seats in the "gravy train" of the Strasbourg Parliament.
And later when Farage came on the scene he had no such scruples did he, as this gave him a platform to strut his stuff and be obnoxious, get paid and do nothing whatever to further the interests of this country, only his own and those of the UKIP.

 

[Wicky]

I refer you to the post #6583 above for my reply.

With thanks to tillson

So you believe he was there in his capacity as an MEP representing UK South East Region comprising; Isle of Wight, East Sussex, West Sussex, Hampshire, Kent, Surrey, Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire... not then as a failed MP or interim leader of UKIP or as a 'tourist'...

Are you guessing who paid for his jaunt - as he almost certainly won't be telling...

re expenses

Truly mould breaking > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/12/nigel-farage-europe-expenses-ukip

"Speaking on the BBC Today programme at the outset of the European elections, Farage said he would be happy to have his office accounts audited by an independent accountant "if it would settle the argument".

Days later he refused to do so saying he would not be singled out as the only one of 73 MEPs to have his accounts independently audited. In fact all UK MEPs other than those from Ukip have had their accounts audited."

 

[oldgroaner]

So you believe he was there in his capacity as an MEP representing UK South East Region comprising; Isle of Wight, East Sussex, West Sussex, Hampshire, Kent, Surrey, Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire... not then as a failed MP or interim leader of UKIP or as a 'tourist'...

Are you guessing who paid for his jaunt - as he almost certainly won't be telling...

re expenses

Truly mould breaking > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/12/nigel-farage-europe-expenses-ukip

"Speaking on the BBC Today programme at the outset of the European elections, Farage said he would be happy to have his office accounts audited by an independent accountant "if it would settle the argument".

Days later he refused to do so saying he would not be singled out as the only one of 73 MEPs to have his accounts independently audited. In fact all UK MEPs other than those from Ukip have had their accounts audited."

Why am I not surprised?

 

[Croxden]

I think the promise breaking is all part of a compromise to try and offer something to the Clinton supporters. /QUOTE]

I thought breaking promises was part of being a politician.
Trump must now be considered a politician now he's got the top job, he learns quickly.

 

[oldgroaner]

Here you are tillson this is how to make the "Goodness Flow"
"Ukip leader admits claiming £205,000 from the taxpayer for office space provided free of charge by party supporter"

Why isn't he in Prison? he should be, after all if "we" did that our feet wouldn't touch!

 

[oldgroaner]

Perhaps he needs Farage there to give him a few tips?

 

[shemozzle999]

Why don't you have a reply of your own that makes more sense than tillson has failed to do?
Farage has no authority to interfere, intrude or influence matters of state between the UK the USA
In fact he has no reason any longer to appear anywhere but at the EU parliament which is what he is paid and fails to do.

Because it was polite and to the point without any uncorroborated personal smearing or slurs attached unlike derf's last post.

Like it or not he is the current leader of a UK political party.

 

[oldgroaner]

Because it was polite and to the point without any uncorroborated personal smearing or slurs attached unlike derf's last post.

Like it or not he is the current leader of a UK political party.

Which means absolutely nothing and does not give him any authority to speak anywhere except at the EU parliament.
Why do you imagine it does? where did he get that added to his remit?
Lets have your answer to the following question.
Why does membership of any political party that is not in power allow you to make approaches to any Foreign head of state before there have been approaches by the Government in power?
Explain your logic.
What you are supporting is anarchy and little short of treason by the person making these personal advances.
Would you condone that in a time of war?
The Conservatives have a track record of doing this sort of thing remember.
The rule is that the Government in office represents us internationally on State matters, no individual is so empowered.
Dont like it? Get over it.