Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

No one can argue with those two cases, but we are all aware of abuse of the benefit system, aren't we?

Then there is health tourism.

So deal with those separately, the countries in the mainland EU do it under EU law, so why can't we?

That's rhetorical, the reason why our conservative governments don't want is that they are contemptuous about ordinary citizens. They are against us having rights, hence wanting to remove the protection of the Human Rights Act. The EU does care about its citizens so has its protection for us.
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[flecc]

Having used the NHS a couple of times in the 70's I can't imagine ever wanting to be sick in the UK ever...

As twice being a much more recent victim of NHS "treatment" (1995, 2012) and having to turn to the private sector to put things right on both occasions, I can assure you it can be even worse now.
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[oldgroaner]

I remember that. We used to dress up. Never doubted that we were anything other than better off, perhaps your memory is playing tricks

No it isn't, perhaps you were taken in?
After all the Brexit Voters were.
If you had been born in Hull during the war you would not have fallen for the nonsense of being better off than anyone else, the place was devastated.

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[oldgroaner]

From the Independent
"
Farage says UK can 'do business' with Trump after becoming first British politician to meet President-elect
Meeting is further snub on Theresa May after President-elect delays victory phone call"

Since when was this toad authorised to speak on our behalf,or represent us outside his role as MEP?
Time this particular parasite was brought to heel before he does something else we regret.
If you like and want him Mr Trump keep him, there's a good chap.
You'll find his mouth is a menace too.

 

[shemozzle999]

This doesn't arise and the comparison is false. The decision re: Nissan has taken physical effect via Nissan's immediate investment decision, so a breach of EU law can have occurred.

Germany's decision is an intention which can only have a physical effect once we leave, at which time we will not have the protection of EU law. Legally all they are doing is warning of the post Brexit status.
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Nissan as far as I am aware have not been given any financial assistance so the Governments assurances will also be post brexit.

The difference being that they will be free to implement them, whereas the German Government must seek full EU approval of these not so final decision plans..

The irony being it goes completely against the EU concept of an equal trading playing field amongst their fellow member countries contained within the walls of Europe.

 

[shemozzle999]

From the Independent
"
Farage says UK can 'do business' with Trump after becoming first British politician to meet President-elect
Meeting is further snub on Theresa May after President-elect delays victory phone call"

Since when was this toad authorised to speak on our behalf,or represent us outside his role as MEP?
Time this particular parasite was brought to heel before he does something else we regret.
If you like and want him Mr Trump keep him, there's a good chap.
You'll find his mouth is a menace too.

When he was democratically elected as an MEP.

 

[oldgroaner]

Nissan as far as I am aware have not been given any financial assistance so the Governments assurances will also be post brexit.

The difference being that they will be free to implement them, whereas the German Government must seek full EU approval of these not so final decision plans..

The irony being it goes completely against the EU concept of an equal trading playing field amongst their fellow member countries contained within the walls of Europe.

Nissan being given any sort of deal is an utterly different matter from German Manufacturers saying they will accept the loss of profit from trade with the UK

Are you paying attention at all? neither the German Manufacturers nor the German Government needs anyone's approval if it decides to do as it says, don't make things up as you go along.
And their reaction will occur when we are outside the EU anyway.
Your assertion is just more pro Brexit nonsense

 

[oldgroaner]

When he was democratically elected as an MEP.

You really never take any notice of facts do you
A member of the European Parliament has no mandate or remit to represent us ANYWHERE ELSE.
You might as well say a member of the local City Council has that authority.
Try again, this time with a little more understanding.
This idiot is not helping the Authorised prime Minister and Foreign Secretary carry out their legal and legitimate roles.
Brexit Voters, appear to take the juvenile view that anything is right that supports Brexit if you want it to be, and to hell with facts.
Farage is an enemy of the people everywhere he goes.

 

[shemozzle999]

Perhaps you have forgotten he is also the leader of UKIP.

 

[trex]

yuck!
do you really believe they represent the people who voted for them or just their phobias?

 

[tillson]

You really never take any notice of facts do you
A member of the European Parliament has no mandate or remit to represent us ANYWHERE ELSE.
You might as well say a member of the local City Council has that authority.
Try again, this time with a little more understanding.
This idiot is not helping the Authorised prime Minister and Foreign Secretary carry out their legal and legitimate roles.
Brexit Voters, appear to take the juvenile view that anything is right that supports Brexit if you want it to be, and to hell with facts.
Farage is an enemy of the people everywhere he goes.

Farage is very popular in the UK.

As an elected MEP, I'm not sure what Nigel's obligations are concerning meeting with the future president of The United States of America. However, if the future president is happy to meet him and Nigel is also inclined to do so, why shouldn't they?

 

[tillson]

yuck!
do you really believe they represent the people who voted for them or just their phobias?

People voted for them because they believe that their futures are best served by them. I realise that this belief isn't held by everyone, but in all elections, the people who supported the candidate who came in second will be disappointed.

Will they will deliver a better future? Only time will tell.

 

[tillson]

Having used the NHS a couple of times in the 70's I can't imagine ever wanting to be sick in the UK ever...

Well hopefully you will remain healthy and won't need to. I'm pleased to hear that you use the French health service, which means there is a tiny bit more to share out here. Every little helps, as the saying goes.

 

[oldgroaner]

Perhaps you have forgotten he is also the leader of UKIP.

So what? He could be the leader of a ladies knitting circle for all the difference that makes

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[oldgroaner]

Farage is very popular in the UK.

As an elected MEP, I'm not sure what Nigel's obligations are concerning meeting with the future president of The United States of America. However, if the future president is happy to meet him and Nigel is also inclined to do so, why shouldn't they?

Because it does nothing to improve relations with the UK government and makes it look an even bigger fool internationally that two right wing hooligans collude to thumb their noses at the normal diplomatic protocols
And Farage promotes himself at the expense of the legitimate government.
If may has any nous at all she will freeze this parasite out.
Either that or lose control of the us gb relationship, which is rocky enough without a loud mouthed clown getting in on the act
Let's face it he staged this to "put her in her place" didn't he? And she isn't going to like that is she?

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[oldgroaner]

People voted for them because they believe that their futures are best served by them. I realise that this belief isn't held by everyone, but in all elections, the people who supported the candidate who came in second will be disappointed.

Will they will deliver a better future? Only time will tell.

Farage certainly won't, he has already done enough damage to the present, and if you think trump has anything to offer you speak in jest
We just have to hope his handlers keep him under some semblance of control.
I note he is already doing the same thing as the leaders of the leave campaign by breaking promises.
He could end up in More danger from his supporters than critics in a land where idiots carry guns

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[tillson]

I note he is already doing the same thing as the leaders of the leave campaign by breaking promises.
He could end up in More danger from his supporters than critics in a land where idiots carry guns

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I think the promise breaking is all part of a compromise to try and offer something to the Clinton supporters. I can't imagine Clinton supporters smashing up shops and setting cars on fire in protest over Trump's decision not to "build the wall" for example. Or his pledge to, "lock her up." But it might just stop the orgy of violence which we have seen from them.

Trump supporters are unlikely to embark on such a destructive course of action over a broken pledge either, so it should calm the waters as a net result.

I think there is a possibility that Trump will pull the USA out of NATO. If he does, I think the UK will be best served by military relationship with the US rather than the EU. Acts of friendship like those seen from Nigel Farage are important parts of the foundation for such a future relationship.

 

[tillson]

So what? He could be the leader of a ladies knitting circle for all the difference that makes

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But UKIP is the third largest party (in terms of votes) in British politics. If that makes UKIP the equivalent of a ladies knitting circle, where does that leave the Lib-Dems, SNP & Greens? Depending on how the Gina Miller BREXIT court case goes, I wouldn't be surprised to see UKIP emerge as the second largest party.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think the promise breaking is all part of a compromise to try and offer something to the Clinton supporters. I can't imagine Clinton supporters smashing up shops and setting cars on fire in protest over Trump's decision not to "build the wall" for example. Or his pledge to, "lock her up." But it might just stop the orgy of violence which we have seen from them.

Trump supporters are unlikely to embark on such a destructive course of action over a broken pledge either, so it should calm the waters as a net result.

I think there is a possibility that Trump will pull the USA out of NATO. If he does, I think the UK will be best served by military relationship with the US rather than the EU. Acts of friendship like those seen from Nigel Farage are important parts of the foundation for such a future relationship.

Don't talk utter rot !
Farage needs to be told by may to wind his neck in before his mouth gets us all into something we regret.

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[oldgroaner]

But UKIP is the third largest party (in terms of votes) in British politics. If that makes UKIP the equivalent of a ladies knitting circle, where does that leave the Lib-Dems, SNP & Greens? Depending on how the Gina Miller BREXIT court case goes, I wouldn't be surprised to see UKIP emerge as the second largest party.

So what? Are you now saying any unelected fool can represent this country?
The lib dems greens, etc aren't out there making fools of themselves and us, are they?

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