May should be worried - apparently Trump favours bringing all American bank operations in London back to New York, he will relax US regulations to allow them to deal direct with Paris and Frankfurt. Basically shafting London big time.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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From Trump's point of view (and this will be made clear to him by his handlers)
Trade with 550 million people is easily a better bet than that with a very dodgy 65 million who are already on a slippery slope, economy wise, and no longer a valued pro US voice within the EU.
Far from being a great asset to Brexit, Trump is a Mafia kiss.
Trade with 550 million people is easily a better bet than that with a very dodgy 65 million who are already on a slippery slope, economy wise, and no longer a valued pro US voice within the EU.
Far from being a great asset to Brexit, Trump is a Mafia kiss.
Where is the EU failing? I can see the French government failing miserably in certain places, but the EU? You see it is the French govt who make the laws here, not the EU. I have been hearing this failure theory from the UK and US press ever since... hell ever since the UK joined the EU. In fact the EU failed even before the first treaty was signed. Did I hear someone whisper "political agenda" in the back row?
The currency: lets just say that I haven't seen 12% price rises in common food articles while shopping since June and even since the introduction of the Euro. At that time the industrial food manufacturers and even the local boulanger and local café raised their margins. All is fair in shop keeping and war or something like that.
Why would there be a financial melt down in the EU? Doesn't the USA have a huge debt problem compared to the EU? All the waffle about the EU and the Euro being in dire financial straights is published in a certain UK and US financial press, theoretically the financial meltdown was years ago but here we are...
Now tell me about your UK financials, solid as a rock, no debt, lots of public investment in infrastructure, splendid! Keep it up...
"Other commentators believe that the euro is under attack so that countries, such as the UK and the US, can continue to fund their large external deficits and government deficits, and to avoid the collapse of the US$. The US and UK do not have large domestic savings pools to draw on and therefore are dependent on external savings e.g. from China. This is not the case in the eurozone, which is self-funding."
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Siri Hustvedt in the Guardian made a comment about Trump being elected that is cogent to the Brexit situation here
"Now all of us will pay for a collective fantasy that belonged to only half of us."
Very true! except that here it was just a few percent more.
"Now all of us will pay for a collective fantasy that belonged to only half of us."
Very true! except that here it was just a few percent more.
If true, then it is an excellent outcome and should speed up exit negotiations.
All they need to do now then is ensure this decision obeys EU rules, perhaps the Commission will contact them as they did with the UK regarding the Nissan announcement.
I doubt that the other trading member states would be to pleased to hear this as it means they would have to follow suit.
Two examples in the last few days of why we individually need to be in the EU and subject to EU law:
1) A family with a very seriously disabled child who is unable to walk, talk or feed himself obviously needs a carer giving support. In their circumstance the carer also has one bedroom for them to have respite breaks.
Under the new bedroom tax that doesn't count as a legitimate need because the carer isn't family, so they were being charged the tax. The relevant government departments refuse to listen or discuss the matter, rigidly enforcing our typically uncaring UK law.
The matter was taken to the high court where the judges ruled that their rights were being breached under European Human Rights law and the government has been overruled.
2) A British lady of Nigerian extraction is seriously ill and in urgent need of a bone marrow transplant to save her life. She has a match with a relative in Nigeria, but the Home Office are refusing to grant a visa for that relative to visit for the transplant to be performed. No number of appeals from them or others will budge our governing officials who obviously don't care if death results, so once again European law will have to be turned to if this lady's life is to be saved.
These are the latest in a very long line of many hundreds of cases where we have been protected from UK abuse by the EU and European laws, the subsequent rulings benefitting tens of thousands of Britons.
But our conservative governments want to remove the European protection so that they can return to abusing us at will.
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1) A family with a very seriously disabled child who is unable to walk, talk or feed himself obviously needs a carer giving support. In their circumstance the carer also has one bedroom for them to have respite breaks.
Under the new bedroom tax that doesn't count as a legitimate need because the carer isn't family, so they were being charged the tax. The relevant government departments refuse to listen or discuss the matter, rigidly enforcing our typically uncaring UK law.
The matter was taken to the high court where the judges ruled that their rights were being breached under European Human Rights law and the government has been overruled.
2) A British lady of Nigerian extraction is seriously ill and in urgent need of a bone marrow transplant to save her life. She has a match with a relative in Nigeria, but the Home Office are refusing to grant a visa for that relative to visit for the transplant to be performed. No number of appeals from them or others will budge our governing officials who obviously don't care if death results, so once again European law will have to be turned to if this lady's life is to be saved.
These are the latest in a very long line of many hundreds of cases where we have been protected from UK abuse by the EU and European laws, the subsequent rulings benefitting tens of thousands of Britons.
But our conservative governments want to remove the European protection so that they can return to abusing us at will.
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excellent outcome for losing access to the Single Market?
it will take us years to get back where we were.
Apparently they are all in agreement that the stability of the EU is more important than the trivial loss of the UK contribution.
Just why are you still intent of damaging the economy of this country and harming the lifestyles of those in it ?
This doesn't arise and the comparison is false. The decision re: Nissan has taken physical effect via Nissan's immediate investment decision, so a breach of EU law can have occurred.
Germany's decision is an intention which can only have a physical effect once we leave, at which time we will not have the protection of EU law. Legally all they are doing is warning of the post Brexit status.
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No one can argue with those two cases, but we are all aware of abuse of the benefit system, aren't we?
Then there is health tourism.
Every single word of this post is true but for those so steeped in their bigoted right-wing beliefs in the ongoing class war, they will never agree with your explanation 'flecc'.
Once again, I see (and I hope I'm not alone), how badly our British history has been presented for decades in our schools and universities. The truth has been corrupted so shamelessly for so long that it is now virtually impossible to alter people's understanding of why the country, indeed the world, is as it is today.
The education system fails young people but worse, I believe it has always been meant to distort the reality and show poor people that the British model of monarchy with a completely separate parliamentary democracy are great things.
Couple that with the obligatory religious learning and singing of patriotic songs, hymns and anthems from childhood and it is not difficult to understand how generations of people can be hoodwinked by those whose fortunes and grand lifestyles depend on the exploitation of the lower classes.
In the same way that dead people don't know that they are dead and feel no pain, the ones close to them feel all the pain - so it is with stupid, brainwashed people!
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Germany has 5 year pay in rule before you can claim, we choose not to do same. As for EU health tourism, I'd say it's the other way round, some of us go to EU for treatment. Healthcare is better, less queuing in France, Germany, Spain, etc.
The truth is Gordon Brown and George Osborne wanted immigrants to help growth and pay their taxes.
I see tillson regards this as funny, but I remember Empire Days at school where a globe lavishly marked up in red displayed with pride where the Benefits of our Paternal rule were bringing poor savages to the light of reason, and if you questioned why they didn't object to us ruling them we were told to shut up we would understand these things when we grow up.
Strangely I'm still waiting for this "Great and obvious Truth" to sink in.
What we didn't understand was what good was this Empire to either them or us, when we were poor and everything on rations, and doubted that they were any better off.
the 3rd party providers that the dwp use get some of there funds from the European social fund and commit fraud on a mass scale to get there hands on it and tax payers money to boot.
say on mwa for a 6 month stint they pay the company double what you would get in a year on jsa and if you dont show up 1 day can sanction you to boot and get 3 in a row and thats a 3 year sanction yet the company still gets its fee for doing nothing at all other than make you homeless as well.
say on mwa for a 6 month stint they pay the company double what you would get in a year on jsa and if you dont show up 1 day can sanction you to boot and get 3 in a row and thats a 3 year sanction yet the company still gets its fee for doing nothing at all other than make you homeless as well.
mandatory work activity tho they have stopped it now not that it was mandatory in the first place just all lies so providers get paid there fees.
the mwa was 30hrs a week for 4 weeks and the providers got paid 600-900 quid per person.
Community Work Placements was for 6 months 30hrs a week and providers could get fees over 6k for that or even more if you was disabled and found fit for work.
the mwa was 30hrs a week for 4 weeks and the providers got paid 600-900 quid per person.
Community Work Placements was for 6 months 30hrs a week and providers could get fees over 6k for that or even more if you was disabled and found fit for work.
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I remember that. We used to dress up. Never doubted that we were anything other than better off, perhaps your memory is playing tricks
You have been reading the tabloids again! You know it will make you blind...
I only have statistics for France where the majority of abuse is by French citizens. There have been a few cases of people with false ID but that means go directly to jail.
French health tourisme is rich people coming to France to be treated, the money they leave benefits us. Having used the NHS a couple of times in the 70's I can't imagine ever wanting to be sick in the UK ever...