Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

No deal doesn’t really bother me financially, I could be better off.

However, I’ve come to realise that it’s going to result in job losses, degradation of employment conditions and lower product quality standards. That in turn will lead to unhappiness followed by anger followed by civil unrest. The mid to low income employee is categorically not going to benefit in any way from Brexit. Brexit isn’t intended for them, they are being played.

So you want the deal then? Or you want a better deal? Or you now want to remain?
Oh, yes we have moved on.
I want the useless feckers at Westminster to do their jobs. Make a decision and get on with it.
Do the deal or forget it. Like Smog says. No such place as Limbo, its pergatory for us all.
Looks like we, ll be having a GE soon (If Corbyn dare?) for more manifesto pledges to be broken.
You voting Corbyn 50?

 

[50Hertz]

So you want the deal then? Or you want a better deal? Or you now want to remain?
Oh, yes we have moved on.
I want the useless feckers at Westminster to do their jobs. Make a decision and get on with it.
Do the deal or forget it. Like Smog says. No such place as Limbo, its pergatory for us all.
Looks like we, ll be having a GE soon for more manifesto pledges to be broken.
You voting Corbyn 50?

I want us to scrap A50, forget leaving and get on with the domestic agenda. That’s clear in my mind.

MPs are doing their job. They have approved the deal, but will not be progressing any further until they have thoroughly scrutinised it. The implications are massive, so for once they are doing the right thing. The legislation has been in existence for monthS, but Johnson has only disclosed it in the last few days and wants it approved in 3 days. Why’s that I wonder?

 

[Woosh]

That is probably all correct but water under the bridge now.
What our MPs decided yesterday, if I, m correct, is that yes they agreed to leave under a deal that is now non negotiable, but needs negotiation to finalize our ultimate relationship with EU, but not just yet. Risking the possibility that EU say no to an extension, call time and say "no deal"
Exactly when and how does this deal now become fine to instigate? Either its acceptable or isnt. Yes, the MPs agreed on a direction to point the ship, but refused to do so. Is that direction going to change? If not ffs get on with it. If it changes we, ll need to pass it in HoC again.
Everything changed yesterday. And nothing changed.
Ground hog day.

MPs voted for the deal in order to:

a) stop no deal
b) amend it and make it difficult to the 28 ERG 'spartans' to accept.

you will see the following amendments to be introduced next month:

- the UK shall join the EU's custom union
- the UK shall negotiate unfettered access to the single market
- the UK shall recognise the ECJ

and lastly,
- there shall be a confirmatory referendum when the bill is passed.

If any of those amendments is passed, Bojo will be forced to pull his WA bill.
That will help Labour holding on to their brexit voters.
Although JC does not deny his eurosceptic credentials, he has done more than any other MPs to hold on to the CU/SM.

 

[oldgroaner]

So if we leave with no deal, we all die...….project fear at it's best.

The problem is that under no deal some most likely will die
Project abject stupidity at it's best.

 

[Zlatan]

I want us to scrap A50, forget leaving and get on with the domestic agenda. That’s clear in my mind.

MPs are doing their job. They have approved the deal, but will not be progressing any further until they have thoroughly scrutinised it. The implications are massive, so for once they are doing the right thing. The legislation has been in existence for monthS, but Johnson has only disclosed it in the last few days and wants it approved in 3 days. Why’s that I wonder?

So, we are a GE,revision of "new deal", EU negotiations to accept revisions, passing of revisions through HoC, (HoL?) away from a decision being made. We are as far away from a decision as 3 years ago.
MPs really are doing a fine job.

BTW, you didnt answer the question. Boris, if he gets a majority, will take us out with this deal. I havent a clue what JC will do. (If he gets chance)
Who are you voting for 50 in next GE?
Which party will have scrap Art50 in their manifesto?

 

[oldgroaner]

That is probably all correct but water under the bridge now.
What our MPs decided yesterday, if I, m correct, is that yes they agreed to leave under a deal that is now non negotiable, but needs negotiation to finalize our ultimate relationship with EU, but not just yet. Risking the possibility that EU say no to an extension, call time and say "no deal"
Exactly when and how does this deal now become fine to instigate? Either its acceptable or isnt. Yes, the MPs agreed on a direction to point the ship, but refused to do so. Is that direction going to change? If not ffs get on with it. If it changes we, ll need to pass it in HoC again.
Everything changed yesterday. And nothing changed.
Ground hog day.

Remember who was it voted for this? and knew what he was voting for?

 

[oldgroaner]

So, we are a GE,revision of "new deal", EU negotiations to accept revisions, passing of revisions through HoC, (HoL?) away from a decision being made. We are as far away from a decision as 3 years ago.
MPs really are doing a fine job.

they are certainly making a case to join the EU when it morphs into a superstate.

 

[oldgroaner]

MPs voted for the deal in order to:

a) stop no deal
b) amend it and make it difficult to the 28 ERG 'spartans' to accept.

you will see the following amendments to be introduced next month:

- the UK shall join the EU's custom union
- the UK shall negotiate unfettered access to the single market
- the UK shall recognise the ECJ

and lastly,
- there shall be a confirmatory referendum when the bill is passed.

If any of those amendments is passed, Bojo will be forced to pull his WA bill.
That will help Labour holding on to their brexit voters.
Although JC does not deny his eurosceptic credentials, he has done more than any other MPs to hold on to the CU/SM.

Let us not forget the Leave campaign categorically denied any intention or need to leave either the Customs Union or the single market

 

[Zlatan]

they are certainly making a case to join the EU when it morphs into a superstate.

Agreed. Do away with them.
I didnt realise the general level of incompetence and stupidity prevalent in both our country and specifically in HoC when I voted leave. Our country has proved too stupid to leave EU.Literally.
Thanks for pointing it out so precisely OG. You and a few others on here are exactly why I have changed my mind.

 

[oldgroaner]

If I had voted Ieave know what I want next
All the promises honoured without exception

Safer Borders
Controlled Immigration
Better NHS
More Schools
Cheaper food
Cheaper Goods
Better paid jobs
Investments in Infastructure
Workers rights respected
The Customs union
The single Market
The finest country in the world to live in said Boris.

And I want them right now.

What are the chances of any of them being honoured?
EVER?

 

[oldgroaner]

Agreed. Do away with them.
I didnt realise the general level of incompetence and stupidity prevalent in both our country and specifically in HoC when I voted leave. Our country has proved too stupid to leave EU.Literally.
Thanks for pointing it out so precisely OG. You and a few others on here are exactly why I have changed my mind.

Is this satire? I almost fell for that one

 

[Woosh]

So, we are a GE,revision of "new deal", EU negotiations to accept revisions, passing of revisions through HoC, (HoL?) away from a decision being made. We are as far away from a decision as 3 years ago.
MPs really are doing a fine job.

BTW, you didnt answer the question. Boris, if he gets a majority, will take us out with this deal. I havent a clue what JC will do. (If he gets chance)
Who are you voting for 50 in next GE?
Which party will have scrap Art50 in their manifesto?

MPs are free to decide on future relationship with the EU, so no broken promise to anyone if we go for a soft brexit.
The only MPs who oppose to a soft brexit and want no deal are those 28 'spartans'.
They are a tiny minority but they wield a big stick because most of the backers have financial interest in no deal.
We can't let these spartans take over the country via the conservative party.

 

[Danidl]

the quickest solution is to cancel A50 and organise a new referendum.
Bojo's deal, even unamended, would require 2 years of further negotiation and will leave NI and Scotland very unhappy.
If Bojo's deal is amended, the hardliner tory MPs won't vote for it.

Sorry Woosh,but NI is not the DUP. The DUP does not speak for NI. The DUP speak for the DUP. The majority in NI find this deal marginally more palatable than no deal, and a lot less palatable than no Brexit.

 

[Zlatan]

Sorry Woosh,but NI is not the DUP. The DUP does not speak for NI. The DUP speak for the DUP. The majority in NI find this deal marginally more palatable than no deal, and a lot less palatable than no Brexit.

Is this fact, opinion or a poll result?
I always find it amusing when individials express opinions of entire communities..
You might be right but then again you might not.

 

[Danidl]

No deal would be quicker. If the EU had any integrity they would not give us an extension.

Wow, that is really convoluted My view is that the EU should offer an extension only on the condition that you run a referendum. Then the will of the people would be tested.

 

[Zlatan]

Wow, that is really convoluted My view is that the EU should offer an extension only on the condition that you run a referendum. Then the will of the people would be tested.

I actually agree with that... So much is based on assumptions we really should have another look.

 

[Woosh]

Wow, that is really convoluted My view is that the EU should offer an extension only on the condition that you run a referendum. Then the will of the people would be tested.

I can't see that the EU will return a fat cheque by imposing conditions.

 

[Danidl]

That is probably all correct but water under the bridge now.
What our MPs decided yesterday, if I, m correct, is that yes they agreed to leave under a deal that is now non negotiable, but needs negotiation to finalize our ultimate relationship with EU, but not just yet. Risking the possibility that EU say no to an extension, call time and say "no deal"
Exactly when and how does this deal now become fine to instigate? Either its acceptable or isnt. Yes, the MPs agreed on a direction to point the ship, but refused to do so. Is that direction going to change? If not ffs get on with it. If it changes we, ll need to pass it in HoC again.
Everything changed yesterday. And nothing changed.
Ground hog day.

The point of course is not the EUs deal,but the Interpretation of that deal as written into a WAB before the HoC. As I tried to explain to Fingers, every clause of that 110 page needs to be checked. My example of say confirming that it does not contain a statement about sacrifice of the first born, needs to be checked . It will not be a sufficient response to say " my bad" , when priests show up at your door with a warrant and a cleaver.

 

[Danidl]

I can't see that the EU will return a fat cheque by imposing conditions.

There are more important things than money. Long term relationships for example.

 

[Zlatan]

The point of course is not the EUs deal,but the Interpretation of that deal as written into a WAB before the HoC. As I tried to explain to Fingers, every clause of that 110 page needs to be checked. My example of say confirming that it does not contain a statement about sacrifice of the first born, needs to be checked . It will not be a sufficient response to say " my bad" , when priests show up at your door with a warrant and a cleaver.

You have a similar view of EU as myself. You think EU are capable of including infanticide in agreement aswell? The bastrads.