Brexit, for once some facts.

[Wicky]

The European Parliament's Brexit coordinator Guy Verhofstadt has reacted to this evening's votes.

He said: "You're all thinking: another extension. I am thinking: another three weeks listening to Farage."



and this made me chuckle / reach for the sick bucket

Hope that fingers deservedly get to edit the video of that...

 

[Danidl]

The European Parliament's Brexit coordinator Guy Verhofstadt has reacted to this evening's votes.

He said: "You're all thinking: another extension. I am thinking: another three weeks listening to Farage."



and this made me chuckle / reach for the sick bucket

Hope that fingers deservedly get to edit the video of that...

Does Farage have a twin brother?. Otherwise it seems anatomically difficult

 

[50Hertz]

Now that it is on the order paper, and has passed the first reading, is it not the property of the house, and not its sponsors ? It is merely convention that allows the sponsor to Pull a proposal

I think you are confirming that Johnson is lying, yet again?

 

[oyster]

For goodness sake, Tusk. Not a three months. A thousand years, please.

 

[Danidl]

The fact that the Bill got a first reading and vote , gives some confidence to the EU. But I expect a delay in them making a public statement

 

[oldgroaner]

Tom Peck in the Independent sums Brexit up as follows

"It is also worth pausing to note that, even if this Brexit deal, in some form or other, is passed, which it may yet be, on one side or the other of an election or a referendum that may or may not happen at a point at which no one knows, it will, we know, come with a transition phase of several years while a new free trade deal is negotiated.
We also know, because it’s in Boris Johnson’s new bill, that those negotiations will begin in June 2020, and by July 2020 the government will have to decide if it wants to apply for another year’s extension.

It will inevitably do so. And being in the transition phase means, that’s right, you keep paying the fabled £350m a week to the EU to, except you’re no longer a member of it, so there’s no rebate, you have no control over what it’s spent on, and absolutely none of it is spent on you.

That’s right. By this time next year, if all goes to plan, the UK will be paying more to not be a member of the European Union than it was to be a member of it.

That, it turns out, is what taking back control always meant."

So this is what people "knew they were voting for?"

 

[oldgroaner]

With appropriate apologies for the language

 

[Woosh]

That, it turns out, is what taking back control always meant."

taking control is an expensive luxury. You reverse group saving.
whether we can afford it, it's up to the voters.

 

[oldgroaner]

taking control is an expensive luxury. You reverse group saving.
whether we can afford it, it's up to the voters.

With the usual caveat that they are not likely to know or care what they are voting for of course.

 

[Woosh]

With the usual caveat that they are not likely to know or care what they are voting for of course.

most don't know.

Do you support or oppose the new Brexit deal that Prime Minister Boris Johnson has negotiated with the European Union?

Support 32
Oppose 29
Don't know 39

Sample: 2,017 Fieldwork: 18-21 Oct 2019

 

[Fingers]

I'm bored of it now

We should just get it done

 

[Woosh]

I'm bored of it now

We should just get it done

the quickest solution is to cancel A50 and organise a new referendum.
Bojo's deal, even unamended, would require 2 years of further negotiation and will leave NI and Scotland very unhappy.
If Bojo's deal is amended, the hardliner tory MPs won't vote for it.

 

[daveboy]

the quickest solution is to cancel A50 and organise a new referendum.
Bojo's deal, even unamended, would require 2 years of further negotiation and will leave NI and Scotland very unhappy.
If Bojo's deal is amended, the hardliner tory MPs won't vote for it.

No deal would be quicker. If the EU had any integrity they would not give us an extension.

 

[oldgroaner]

No deal would be quicker. If the EU had any integrity they would not give us an extension.

Blowing ourselves up would be faster still and give the same result.

 

[oldgroaner]

I'm bored of it now

We should just get it done

Read the deal yet? and which parts did you like?

 

[daveboy]

Blowing ourselves up would be faster still and give the same result.

So if we leave with no deal, we all die...….project fear at it's best.

 

[Zlatan]

Ground Hog day... Neverendum. The silly feckers should stay in HoC until they say " Yes" or" No". Accept the deal or forget it.
This is the worst possible scenario, not in, not out, dithering indecision. Drifting along with crew unwilling, incapable of choosing one tack or another. All arguing pulling tiller one way then other, storms raging, icebergs and lee shores all around.And still paying charter fees, crews wages and mooring fees.
Its a disgrace. We are the laughing stock now, not because we voted and voted for Brexit but because our system is infected with non terminal total and utter indecision, and..... stupidity. Is there an end in sight? I can't see one. Are we any further forward than 3 years ago? I dont think so.
Groundhog day,week,month,year, century?
And the zealots from both camps justify it. They are the real problem, not the middle majority who would accept either decision and get on with it. The strident fools at either side polarizing and splitting the country.Both sides demanding a win, ensuring we all lose.

 

[Woosh]

Ground Hog day... Neverendum. The silly feckers should stay in HoC until they say " Yes" or" No". Accept the deal or forget it.
This is the worst possible scenario, not in, not out, dithering indecision. Drifting along with crew unwilling, incapable of choosing one tack or another. All arguing pulling tiller one way then other, storms raging, icebergs and lee shores all around.And still paying charter fees, crews wages and mooring fees.
Its a disgrace. We are the laughing stock now, not because we voted and voted for Brexit but because our system is infected with non terminal total and utter indecision, and..... stupidity.
Groundhog day,week,month,year, century?
And the zealots from both camps justify it. They are the real problem, not the middle majority who would accept either decision and get on with it. The strident fools at either side polarizing and splitting the country.

the state of our economy is bad for decades since the end of WWII, I'd compare it to a leaky boat. We keep plugging the hole in our budget with fraudsters money, devaluation, selling public assets, reduction in public services, increases in carbon tax and immigration.
On top of this, leave campaign did the hardsell: you can afford it. It's just like selling to a guy who takes home £1,000 in a month a new car, telling him 'you can afford the repayment' or release some equity in your house. The UK's economy was fifth before the referendum, it's now 7th and soon will fall behind Italy's.
Is it not enough a proof that was a hard sell?
Beggars can't be choosers.

 

[50Hertz]

No deal would be quicker. If the EU had any integrity they would not give us an extension.

No deal doesn’t really bother me financially, I could be better off.

However, I’ve come to realise that it’s going to result in job losses, degradation of employment conditions and lower product quality standards. That in turn will lead to unhappiness followed by anger followed by civil unrest.

The mid to low income employee is categorically not going to benefit in any way from Brexit. Brexit isn’t intended for them, they are being played. That’s why Johnson wants to rush this bill through Parliament. He doesn’t want anyone to look inside the box, he just wants people to buy the box and then look what’s inside when it’s too late, because he knows they won’t like the content.

 

[Zlatan]

the state of our economy is bad for decades since the end of WWII, I'd compare it to a leaky boat. We keep plugging the hole in our budget with fraudsters money, devaluation, selling public assets, reduction in public services, increases in carbon tax and immigration.
On top of this, leave campaign did the hardsell: you can afford it. It's just like selling to a guy who takes home £1,000 in a month a new car, telling him 'you can afford the repayment' or release some equity in your house. The UK's economy was fifth before the referendum, it's now 7th and soon will fall behind Italy's.
Is it not enough a proof that was a hard sell?
Beggars can't be choosers.

That is probably all correct but water under the bridge now.
What our MPs decided yesterday, if I, m correct, is that yes they agreed to leave under a deal that is now non negotiable, but needs negotiation to finalize our ultimate relationship with EU, but not just yet. Risking the possibility that EU say no to an extension, call time and say "no deal"
Exactly when and how does this deal now become fine to instigate? Either its acceptable or isnt. Yes, the MPs agreed on a direction to point the ship, but refused to do so. Is that direction going to change? If not ffs get on with it. If it changes we, ll need to pass it in HoC again.
Everything changed yesterday. And nothing changed.
Ground hog day.