Brexit, for once some facts.
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Satire OG, we shouldnt mock the afflicted though should we? (or is it"! ")Is this satire? I almost fell for that one
That is a very fair point, but you might allow that I have a slightly better feel for the pulse of NI.
What may have escaped your attention is that.
1. There was a solid antii Brexit referendum result
2. The GE Elections tended to support anti Brexit sentiment... This is coloured to an extent by the majority desire to retain the union with UK.
3. The EP elections ,were emphatic.. because the constraint of the UK union was not in question. There was a unheard of majority towards Pro EU candidates,and it was translated into seats.
4. The will of the People in NI has been thwarted by the FAILURE of the NI Assembly to meet for 1015 days. Just a bit shorter than the Brexit referendum itself.
5 Had the Assembly met,it is in doubt whether Ms Foster could retain the title of First Minister.
I will accept that there are a majority within the DUP,who support their stance,but the DUP does not speak for the Unionist community,let alone the NI community.
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And it is the only one I ever conceded on. However you omitted the second half of my post
No, the real problem was a referendum without a sensible pass proportion like two thirds.
Then having made that mistake, not having the courage to immediately say the result was far too close to be acted upon for such a momentous long term decision.
Either would not have resulted in a bitterly divided country and parliament.
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Having lived through it long enough and watched at first hand the severe decline since WW2, I've been posting as much in this thread since before the referendum.
Consistently I've said on the clear evidence that we are nowhere good enough to be able to leave the EU, since that body, despite its faults, has been our crutch for 44 years.
And as I've repeatedly said, the right way to leave the EU is to first succeed in international trading in manufactures as Germany and several other EU members have, then leave.
However, even then the message is clear. Germany is the most proven member of the EU to be able to leave successfully and go it alone, yet they don't.
Clearly they see it's better to be in.
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to be fair, both DC and JC did not understand the implications, all the way until the 2017 elections, as well as they do now.
Back in that time, who knew about the A50 process and NI customs border?
After the result of the referendum was known, I know many don't but a lot of people felt quite enthusiastic about a future outside the EU.
It's all of them and Danidl is absolutely right. If you'd closely followed the trends of public opinion in the province you'd know that to be true. The DUP are out of kilter in their own domain.
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I don't allow them that concession, such a result for a decision of that importance was obviously far too close and I was appalled that it was accepted. How could the politicians have not known the implications when they were aware that our comprehensive failure before membership had led us to the edge of bankruptcy and being run by the IMF?
Any enthusiasm to try a leap in the dark with such poor public support was irrelevant in the light of the known facts about our failings.
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I had the impression back in 2014-2015 that Labour and LibDems were egging the tories on to go for the referendum.
Best take it up with Leave politicians as they made you false promises
Your cut-out-and-keep list of top 19 Brexiteer promises
Leave camp made wild pledges. To make sure they don’t wriggle out of them, we’ve gathered together their top promises.
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Has to be LibDems purely because they are clear. I have no idea what Labour are about.
Eh no. It is not the EU deal the MPs are voting on it is the WAB ..which is UK legislation, and was only released two days ago, which contains in its 110 pages , amongst other items the EU deal. Remember there are some 600 pages in that EU deal. Although in fairness the EU released 520 pages 18months ago,and the 64 new pages, last week. So there might have been plenty of time to read Junkers intensions for the unborn.
What have Spartans got to do with that lot?
Apart from the act the Spartans were ultra right wing, mysoginist, racist and lived on the backs of a slave class?
Hmm.... point taken
You don’t know!
What are these “custom made trade deals?” What are we going to sell? What will be able to do, that we can’t do now? Custom made trade deals: just hollow words the same as Brexit means Brexit.
We aren’t in the Euro.
There won’t be any saved membership money. Remember we have spent 20% of it already off-setting just SOME of the Brexit economic damage. You won’t be seeing any of it.
So you didn’t know what you voted for. The above proves it.
Brexit is going to be a disaster. Face up to it.
Totallt agree, much as I have supported leaving and in an ideal world still would I would support government if they made the decision you suggest. Or just scrapped the whole thing. My criticism has always been our governments inability to make a decision or in many cases simply sit on fence but still criticise those that at least try and go forward.
Big-Enders and Little-Enders (opposing positions of two factions in the nation of Lilliput. The Big-Endians, who broke their boiled eggs at the big end, rebelled against the king, who demanded that his subjects break their eggs at the little end.)
Public Referendum / Parliament Big Enders Bill vote 52% – 48%
We could just have Bercow simply toss a coin at each stage... instead of all this voting malarky
Heads or Tails: The Impact of a Coin Toss on Major Life Decisions and Subsequent Happiness