Brexit, for once some facts.

[Wicky]

We weren't voting on a deal. We were voting in or out.

Have you asked yourself why they conned you - yet you still keep believing them...

"...we didn’t vote to leave without a deal. That wasn’t the message of the campaign I helped lead" Gove, March 2019

 

[50Hertz]

like Farage?

Probably not.

 

[50Hertz]

A clever person explains as succinctly as possible , bearing in mind the mental acuity of their target audience. A politician over simplifies . Occams Razor. .. read up about it.

It took you a while to come up with that. Is Google running slowly this afternoon?

 

[oyster]

It will be inevitable that if we want to stay in the EU we would have to join the Euro anyway. Might work out better anyway. One of the reasons I voted out was because we were neither properly in or out.

And nothing was on the referendum apart from remain or leave.

We weren't voting on a deal. We were voting in or out.

Whilst it is true that is what was on the paper, the meanings of both options were taken with the background of what had been discussed, said, even promised.

 

[oyster]

like Farage?

Gosh, no. Detest him.

 

[50Hertz]

The question hasn't changed at all. The losers just will not accept the result.

The question has changed.

The original question was, Do you want to leave and save £350 Million/ Week, have the same trade deal with the EU, open up new trade across the world, have greater control of our borders and many other benefits.

The new question is, do you want to leave, save nothing, spend an extra £8.5 Billion trying to limit some of the damage caused by leaving, have no trade deal with the EU, secure very little new trade across the world, have roughly the same controls at our borders, lose thousands of jobs, devalue the pound, and many other disadvantages.

There is so much difference between the two questions that the only democratic way forward is to ask the new question and see what people say. If you are correct, then leave will win again. You talk a lot about democracy, so you will agree with what I have written.

 

[50Hertz]

The problem with a second referendum is will not solve anything. If leave wins remainers will still not accept it. If remain wins leavers will want another referendum.

It feels never ending now wait and see what happens if there is a second referendum.

The only way there can be a legit second referendum is if the circumstances are changed and the EU decide to reform. But that isn't going to happen.

If we leave we can always rejoin later. That's how it works in democracies.

I’d accept the result. We know so much more now and how much BS was spread by both sides. It was an appalling campaign, but we were foolish to expect anything else from the brain damaged morons running the country.

Now that more facts are available, if people are stupid enough to still want to carry Brexit through, then fill yer boots I say. They’d deserve all the crap and hardships heading their way. As things stand, leave voters deserve some understanding because they have been well and truly fuckedover by the lying bastards.

 

[50Hertz]

The domestic water is pressurised at the storage tank.
In our case, the water storage tank is a large 300 litre insulated tank containing two heating coils and an immersion heater element. The thermal solar is connected to the lower coil and the hotwater feed from the ASHP to the upper coil. The tank temperature is sent back to the ASHP controller. If the ASHP decides that the tank temperature is below 50 degrees,it goes into a less efficient COP high temperature output mode and delivers hot water at 60 into the heating coil. Otherwise it reverts to a 35 degree ,high efficiency mode, circulating into the Floor and radiator space heating.
There is no effective limit in the solar hot water heater, and temperature in excess of 100 degrees can be achieved.. at which stage its controller stops . So having a large tank of 90 degree water and a brilliant drying press is achievable. There is a thermostatic mixer on the hot feed from the tank, so we don't scald ourselves. This drives all the showers and bath effectively. Ironically the only place with poor hot water flow is the kitchen, and the tap must run for a few minutes.. Sometimes we just boil a kettle, rather than let the tap run.
The immersion heater is rarely if ever used...however we might turn it on in winter to ensure that Legionnaire Disease is prevented... This would be after multiple days of overcast skys meaning low solar heating.

Nice post which I found interesting.

 

[oldgroaner]

Nice post which I found interesting.

Some interesting (and unlike mine) up to date information
Ground source heating systems
What I do recall was back then in the 1980's we studied new build estate matrix systems where small groupings of homes (initially just pairs) would be served by a common deep vertical borehole down to the aquifer but selling off the heating side ended that line of research.

 

[Danidl]

Surely a lower limit stat set to 60c would control the immersion heater for you?

But the immersion heater is extremely rarely used.. ie I would need perhaps two weeks of grey overcast weather, without even one day of brightness to need to purge the system up to 60 degrees plus.. so it is only a manual intervention if ever.

 

[Woosh]

A truly clever person takes the complex and presents it in such a way that the reader thinks they already knew what they have just learned.

Nigel Farage?

Probably not.

I came across this tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1178379144280846338

I think the person who asked the question is genuine.
How would a really clever person answer that question?

 

[Fingers]

Nigel Farage?


I came across this tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1178379144280846338

I think the person who asked the question is genuine.
How would a really clever person answer that question?

Displacement.

The mass in the glass is already set. Ice cubes cannot add extra weight so when the glass is filled to the brim it already has the level of water set.

Ice adds to the the sea because they are not floating in the sea.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I came across this tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1178379144280846338

I think the person who asked the question is genuine.
How would a really clever person answer that question?
[/QUOTE]
I am stating the obvious, but the Greenland Antarctic ice sheets rests on continents somewhat forced into the mantle under their weight. A more accurate analogy (for someone who's thinking is limited to confectionary) would be an ice cream melting. But I am not clever. And think the populist desire of our age for simple answers and solutions gives us at best macron or that nice chap who's into blackface in canadda and at worst trump or boris. None of whom I find wildly enlightening.

 

[Woosh]

Displacement.

The mass in the glass is already set. Ice cubes cannot add extra weight so when the glass is filled to the brim it already has the level of water set.

Ice adds to the the sea because they are not floating in the sea.

he asked you to explain why melting polar cap causes sea level to rise.
In his mind, the melted ice cap will occupy the same volume of previously displaced volume of sea water when the cap wasn't melted so sea level should not rise.

 

[oyster]

Some interesting (and unlike mine) up to date information
Ground source heating systems
What I do recall was back then in the 1980's we studied new build estate matrix systems where small groupings of homes (initially just pairs) would be served by a common deep vertical borehole down to the aquifer but selling off the heating side ended that line of research.

Given the wet and coastal nature of Wales, how about water sourced?

The Royal Festival Hall was heat-pump heated for a while. First link is about how it started. The second points a finger at the TORIES for removing it. Almost seventy years and we are only just getting going. Don't know, but I suspect that a lot of the equipment is imported?

https://flic.kr/p/rEv7xD
https://www.cibse.org/getattachment/Networks/Groups/Energy-Performance/Power-Hours/CIBSE-EPG-Bill-Bordass,-heat-pump-history.pdf.aspx?lang=en-GB

 

[Danidl]

Displacement.

The mass in the glass is already set. Ice cubes cannot add extra weight so when the glass is filled to the brim it already has the level of water set.

Ice adds to the the sea because they are not floating in the sea.

Agree. The problem is there is a difference between the the Artic ice and the Antarctic ice. The Artic ice is floating on the water,whereas the Antarctic Ice is already sitting on land. Melting Artic ice ,makes the NW Passage clearer ,but might adversely affect the North Atlantic Drift or as we call it the Gulf Stream, whereas melting Antarctica , raises water level.

 

[oyster]

Displacement.

The mass in the glass is already set. Ice cubes cannot add extra weight so when the glass is filled to the brim it already has the level of water set.

Ice adds to the the sea because they are not floating in the sea.

The initial question doesn't actually describe a realistic situation. If you fill a glass with ice cubes, then fill to the brim, the ice cubes will tend to float and at least some will poke up above the level of the rim. If truly filled with water then, when the ice cubes melt, water will overflow the glass.

Add onto that all the issues about change of density with temperature.

 

[oyster]

Agree. The problem is there is a difference between the the Artic ice and the Antarctic ice. The Artic ice is floating on the water,whereas the Antarctic Ice is already sitting on land. Melting Artic ice ,makes the NW Passage clearer ,but might adversely affect the North Atlantic Drift or as we call it the Gulf Stream, whereas melting Antarctica , raises water level.

Some of the arctic ice is floating, but not most of that over Greenland.

 

[oyster]

Anyone know whty Priti Patel has made late declaration of members' interests - but they are not highlighted as such?

22 October 2018, received £600 from Cliveden Literary Festival, 55 Baker St, London W1U 8EW, for taking part in panel discussion for this Festival. Hours: 5 hrs including travel. (Registered 18 April 2019)


From 1 May 2019 to 24 July 2019, Strategic Adviser, Viasat Inc, of 6155 El Camino Real, Carlsbad, California 92009, a global communications company. Expected remuneration of £5,000 a month for a commitment of approx. 5 hrs per month. (Registered 03 June 2019; updated 31 July 2019 and 19 August 2019)

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/190916/patel_priti.htm

 

[wheeler]

Agree. The problem is there is a difference between the the Artic ice and the Antarctic ice. The Artic ice is floating on the water,whereas the Antarctic Ice is already sitting on land. Melting Artic ice ,makes the NW Passage clearer ,but might adversely affect the North Atlantic Drift or as we call it the Gulf Stream, whereas melting Antarctica , raises water level.

Do you need a Class 1 licence for artic ice?