Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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The initial question doesn't actually describe a realistic situation. If you fill a glass with ice cubes, then fill to the brim, the ice cubes will tend to float and at least some will poke up above the level of the rim. If truly filled with water then, when the ice cubes melt, water will overflow the glass.

Add onto that all the issues about change of density with temperature.
...however, because of the anomaly that Ice is 10% less dense than water , our Brexit persons full glass shrinks to 90% full, when it melts at 0 and then drops even lower to about 88 % to 89% as it heats up to 4 degrees ,It then starts expanding like normal material .... But never expands enough to overflow,until it bubbles over at boiling point 100 degrees
 

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I came across this tweet:
I think the person who asked the question is genuine.
How would a really clever person answer that question?
I am stating the obvious, but the Greenland Antarctic ice sheets rests on continents somewhat forced into the mantle under their weight. A more accurate analogy (for someone who's thinking is limited to confectionary) would be an ice cream melting. But I am not clever. And think the populist desire of our age for simple answers and solutions gives us at best macron or that nice chap who's into blackface in canadda and at worst trump or boris. None of whom I find wildly enlightening.
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..there are a brave few miles between Greenland and the Antarctica.
 

Danidl

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The initial question doesn't actually describe a realistic situation. If you fill a glass with ice cubes, then fill to the brim, the ice cubes will tend to float and at least some will poke up above the level of the rim. If truly filled with water then, when the ice cubes melt, water will overflow the glass.

Add onto that all the issues about change of density with temperature.
On the contrary it is very realistic. .. the barman dumps a load of ice in a glass and it gels together, and he then squirts water on top.. much of the ice is trapped under water.
 

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The initial question doesn't actually describe a realistic situation. If you fill a glass with ice cubes, then fill to the brim, the ice cubes will tend to float and at least some will poke up above the level of the rim. If truly filled with water then, when the ice cubes melt, water will overflow the glass.

Add onto that all the issues about change of density with temperature.
No it wont. The cubes float because they have lower density. As they melt the volume will reduce, mass constant. Level will be unchanged. Any ice under water is only held there by ice above it.
The ice would have to be held out of the water by an outside force, as it is when on land. (ie that water held above water line, water which fell from rain, was frozen on land, forming a reservoir of water seperate from the sea) This melt water will raise levels, that from icebergs etc will not.
 
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The initial question doesn't actually describe a realistic situation. If you fill a glass with ice cubes, then fill to the brim, the ice cubes will tend to float and at least some will poke up above the level of the rim. If truly filled with water then, when the ice cubes melt, water will overflow the glass.

Add onto that all the issues about change of density with temperature.
Water won't usually overflow the glass.
9 tenths of the ice is below the waterline, one tenth above. When the ice melted, the volume of melt water is 9 tenths of the ice, so the volume of the water in the glass won't change because of that. The melting ice causes the water to drop in temperature, shrinking the volume of water slightly but when the glass warms up, the volume will expands a bit and the water can overflow.
The reason I connected his question to this thread is because the tweet is originally from the BXP. illustrating the similar complexity of brexit and climate change.
The sea level rises generally because of thermal expansion. Seawater temperature is going up.
 

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Ironically the only place with poor hot water flow is the kitchen, and the tap must run for a few minutes.. Sometimes we just boil a kettle, rather than let the tap run.
Following my "green" internal redesign and reconstruction of my flat in 1970, my hot water tank and airing cupboard sit between the kitchen and bathroom. The kitchen sink sits just beyond one wall, the bathroom sink and bath taps are just beyond the other wall, so the hot water pipe runs are very short to avoid wastage.

And the planned in new positions of my fridge and freezer duct the heat from their rear radiators into the airing cupboard to add to the warmth there, making a wasteful tumble dryer completely unnecessary.

All this while gaining a dining area that none of the other flats have and greatly improving the natural light in the lounge. This was a brand new flat I moved into in December 1967, once again showing how architects can miss so many tricks.
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I cannot believe that the campaign is anything other than pure propaganda.
Remember also that Boris has been portraying to the EU that we really are ready to just walk out in his attempt to get then to yield on the backstop.

This campaign could also be a part of that effort to convince that we really are deadly serious about walking away and cutting all ties.
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We weren't voting on a deal. We were voting in or out.
For greater accuracy omit the full stop and add as follows:

"We weren't voting on a deal. We were voting in or out on the basis of the information given that the leave campaign insisted a good deal would be obtained and would be easy to get."
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What I do recall was back then in the 1980's we studied new build estate matrix systems where small groupings of homes (initially just pairs) would be served by a common deep vertical borehole down to the aquifer but selling off the heating side ended that line of research.
We do have one small development like that in London now.
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For greater accuracy omit the full stop and add as follows:

"We weren't voting on a deal. We were voting in or out on the basis of the information given that the leave campaign insisted a good deal would be obtained and would be easy to get."
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Problem was we were all voting for different reasons, criteria and justifications. Nobody can tell others why they voted as they did.
 
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On the displacement argument.
Any object that floats displaces its own mass.
Any object that sinks displaces its own volume.
Since mass to volume ratio of melt water is equal to that of water ice sits in, mass will be unaffected as ice melts. Amount of water in glass is constant, so none will spill out.
Thinking water would spill out is suggesting glass of water would gain weight as ice melts. Obviously it doesnt. Mass of water is constant, its total volume is reducing as any ice melts. Water from ice above waterline would simply fill space left by ice melting below.
 
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Problem was we were all voting for different reasons, criteria and justifications. Nobody can tell others why they voted as they did.
True, but I do know the information environment they were voting in and which influences decisions.
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For greater accuracy omit the full stop and add as follows:

"We weren't voting on a deal. We were voting in or out on the basis of the information given that the leave campaign insisted a good deal would be obtained and would be easy to get."
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People are stubborn. Not many have changed their mind if they vote again despite 3 years of explaining effort and reality check.
 

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Justine Greening, hardly a leftie, wrote:

I’ve served with Johnson in cabinet and worked with him for more than 10 years. It’s clear to me his strategy is dangerous and dysfunctional: get people angry with the judiciary, get people angry with parliament and then, after a fake negotiation, get people angry with the EU. Make the “great poisonous puffball of Brexit”, as Johnson referred to it last week, so toxic for Britain that people will desperately accept any version of Brexit, however damaging, to “just get it done”.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/29/boris-johnson-brexit-plan

(The puffball is one of the safe to eat fungi - at least the non-stalked ones. For example, almost certainly the one being referred to, the giant puffball:

The giant puffball, Calvatia gigantea (earlier classified as Lycoperdon giganteum), reaches a foot (30 cm) or more in diameter, and is difficult to mistake for any other fungus. It has been estimated that a large specimen of this fungus when mature will produce around 7 × 10¹² spores. If collected before spores have formed, while the flesh is still white, it may be cooked as slices fried in butter, with a strong earthy, mushroom flavor.

But we can't expect BJ to get anything right, can we?)
 
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Zlatan

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True, but I do know the information environment they were voting in and which influences decisions.
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True, but its affect is variable and immeasurable.
Do people smoke because of adverts? We, ve proven they do not. The removal of nearly all cigarette propoganda had little affect on numbers smoking.
Do people eat cake and chocolate because of adverts? Nope, they eat it because they like it.
Do folk drink Carling because of ad campaign. Nope, its actually a good drink. If you dont like it, all adverts in world will have no affect. Probably.
Personally think campaigns on both sides were poor and had little affect on voting tendencies.
 
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Do people smoke because of adverts? We, ve proven they do not. The removal of nearly all cigarette propoganda had little affect on numbers smoking.
That doesn't remove the possibility of advertising having a significant effect on people starting to smoke. Just suggests that it doesn't have much effect on giving up.
 

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That doesn't remove the possibility of advertising having a significant effect on people starting to smoke. Just suggests that it doesn't have much effect on giving up.
And???
Besides new smokers were replacing dying ones until very recently. (way after advertising was banned)
I think you, ll find kids taking up smoking peaked post ban on advertising.
 

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Only if you want!. .. would they be Volvos?.
True, but its affect is variable and immeasurable.
Do people smoke because of adverts? We, ve proven they do not. The removal of nearly all cigarette propoganda had little affect on numbers smoking.
Do people eat cake and chocolate because of adverts? Nope, they eat it because they like it.
Do folk drink Carling because of ad campaign. Nope, its actually a good drink. If you dont like it, all adverts in world will have no affect. Probably.
Personally think campaigns on both sides were poor and had little affect on voting tendencies.
I think you are incorrect. Companies advertise BECAUSE it WORKs . In your example it may divert a person from a Bud or Stella, to the Carling, or might just remind someone that they are thirsty and increase sales of all three brands....In which either case it's a win situation. What the beer add is unlikely to do is encourage the lad to take up jogging.
Regarding smoking..would you not have observed an increase in films and pop videos of smoking ?...I have.

And finally, the effects of advertising on selected target groups, rather than being unmeasurable, as you suggest, is a highly refined discipline with an enormous range of metrics.
 
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