Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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I think that poll in the DM gave the conservatives 31%, Labour 24%, Libdems 21%, BXP 14%.
31% is not brilliant.
Looks like a coalition government would result and surely Boris won't want that?
I think he is in a corner
 

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From the Express
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Brexit bombshell: Rebel Tory MPs will be AXED and deselected if they try and block no deal
BORIS JOHNSON will sack and deselect Conservative MPs who rebel and try and halt his push for a no deal Brexit.

BINGO! AS FINGERS WOULD CRY!
History repeats itself
Why not declare him PM for life?
Who needs democracy anyway
That could provide quite a number of MPs to move to other parties, albeit only for a limited period. The effects on tory voters come the next GE might not be quite what BJ implies.
 
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Interesting graphic in the Daily Mail


Some interesting reactions 50% think Boris should quit if we don't leave on Oct 31
And even if we leave with a deal only 35% will feel joy and 38% fear.
And support Mays deal if backstop dropped..52%
And despite 52% thinking we will leave without a deal
The reaction to that isn't among the questions.. they got the wrong answer is my view...
Lots of questions which are not really what they seem. Was the queen right to approve prorogation? Well, I want to answer, of course she wasn't, but I am not at all sure what the consequences of refusal would have been. And, technically, if she really had no choice what does it mean for me to say Yes simply because I recognise her lack of any choice?

Remember when they used to wheel out Norman St John Stevas to pronounce on any constitutional issues?
 
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Lots of questions which are not really what they seem. Was the queen right to approve prorogation? Well, I want to answer, of course she wasn't, but I am not at all sure what the consequences of refusal would have been. And, technically, if she really had no choice what does it mean for me to say Yes simply because I recognise her lack of any choice?

Remember when they used to wheel out Norman St John Stevas to pronounce on any constitutional issues?
He should have asked you then???
 
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That could provide quite a number of MPs to move to other parties, albeit only for a limited period. The effects on tory voters come the next GE might not be quite what BJ implies.
People tend to vote for the party at a GE (or even the party leader) they save the protest votes for Bi-elections or Euro elections.
 

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He should have asked you then???
I certainly don't claim any special knowledge of the UK constitution.

Just pointing out that "Yes" because it was what the person thinks was the appropriate, right and proper thing for the queen to do is fundamentally different to "Yes" simply because she had no choice.
 
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Interesting graphic in the Daily Mail


Some interesting reactions 50% think Boris should quit if we don't leave on Oct 31
And even if we leave with a deal only 35% will feel joy and 38% fear.
And support Mays deal if backstop dropped..52%
And despite 52% thinking we will leave without a deal
The reaction to that isn't among the questions.. they got the wrong answer is my view...
The Con voters and the Brexit columns are caveats, I wonder how much people pay attention to these details. Samples are usually weighted to the last election result (2017) but may not in this case.
 
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Living in a dream
Jackass proving that he is an idiot


There is simply no way the fight will be over, it will simply have begun.
The campaign to get back into the EU begins.
Why this clown believes otherwise is a mystery
The damage you and others have done will not repair itself the chasm in public opinion is not going away, and there is nothing other than getting back into the EU will end this farce.
 
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Looks like a coalition government would result and surely Boris won't want that?
I think he is in a corner
Bojo is the conservatives hope to beat JC and Farage.
He is far from 'putting Farage back in his box'.
If anything, Farage is his boss.
 

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Living in a dream
Jackass proving that he is an idiot
he is still more polite and less idiot compared to Bojo.
Perhaps the conservatives should have elected JRM instead.
 
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he is still more polite and less idiot compared to Bojo.
This is known as "damning with faint praise" and he is as big a liar
No one could possibly possibly believe Brexit will pass off all sweetness and light
He knows that as well as everyone else does.
 
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No one could possibly possibly believe Brexit will pass off all sweetness and light
that's the result of a narrow margin in a referendum. It divides the country on a black and white line, half of the people will be miserable and the other half satisfied but not happy because we all have to pay for the cost of brexit after 52% voted for it.

With hindsight, JC should have sounded a note of caution after the result was announced.
Instead, he jumped on the 52% bandwagon then backpedalled ever since.
 

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that's the result of a narrow margin in a referendum. It divides the country on a black and white line, half of the people will be miserable and the other half satisfied but not happy because we all have to pay for the cost of brexit after 52% voted for it.

With hindsight, JC should have sounded a note of caution after the result was announced.
Instead, he jumped on the 52% bandwagon then backpedalled ever since.
Both sides need to consider the reasons for them not winning by a landslide. They need to take account of those reasons and, so far as reasonable practicable, seek to address them.

So far, the brexit campaign seems to have taken every opportunity to make brexit look ever worse to people like me. Which is pretty impressive considering how bad I already thought it. (Not saying a successful remain campaign would have adequately done anything to make brexit voters feel less upset. But that is pure speculation.)
 

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I wonder if any Brexit voters care to outline what they anticipate to be the nature of the political situation that will emerge after Brexit?
Perhaps they can suggest what they envisage will happen?
Or has no one given a thought to it?
 
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Before I spill it all over you...
And of course in law
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It is not clear what would happen if the Queen prorogued Parliament and the Speaker refused to be prorogued but it is certain that it would create a constitutional crisis."
Nor actually what would happen if parliament decides to sit somewhere else.
Very interesting question. If the queen really is forced to do whatever she is told, then refusing to be prorogued would not seem to be in any sense defiance of the queen's acquiescence.

Perhaps they should sit in Manchester, coming so soon after the Peterloo anniversary and after decades of some people urging sessions to be held around the country. Or Belfast?
 
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I wonder if any Brexit voters care to outline what they anticipate to be the nature of the political situation that will emerge after Brexit?
Perhaps they can suggest what they envisage will happen?
Or has no one given a thought to it?
Pretty much the same.
 
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