Too late but interesting
Do not prorogue parliament petition currently at 644, 076 votes
Do not prorogue parliament petition currently at 644, 076 votes
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Well that option isn't possible.
You are howling at the moon.
So, accepting the result of the referendum and me accepting you hate the idea of no deal.
What is your proposal to get no deal off the table?
Again. Like flecc you have your fingers in your ears with your eyes closed and not looking at the facts.
what do you propose, seriously, to take no deal off the table
Stop messing about Zlatan, you stopped talking sense way back if you imaging what Boris is doing is clever.
Here is something from lord Heseltine on the subject, and he certainly isn't a man i have time for but do agree on the principle involved here
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On hearing today's news whilst on holiday in Montenegro, I am appalled by the government's announcement. The government's decision to suspend parliament in order to force through a No Deal Brexit is a constitutional outrage.
A government which is frightened of parliament is frightened of democracy. I hope that every member of parliament in feeling this humiliation will use every legal and constitutional weapon to obstruct a government proposing to force on the British people a historic change for which they have long since lost any mandate.
To abandon parliamentary scrutiny is a constitutional affront. My party, the one I have worked for all my life, told the British people about the new role that Britain could play in the world. Britain has helped to change Europe from Fascist and Communist dictatorships to Parliamentary democracies. And now I am told by the leader and the cabinet of that same party that we were all wrong – that we now must become some subordinate vassal state to the United States.
This is outside anything I could ever have believed that the Conservative party would propose, and I hope that large numbers of Conservatives, as well as friends from other political traditions, will join together to resist it.
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He makes you look very foolish, doesn't he?
Try to reconnect with reality there's a good chap, and cut the cute comments,
We were supposed to have a truce remember
But if you prefer to engage in the manner you are doing I shall respond accordingly.
It may well be, the fat lady hasn't sung yet.
If parliament succeeds in blocking BJ's move by some devious means, any number of things could happen, including rescinding article 50. And that could lead anywhere, including a second referendum.
This whole matter isn't over by a long chalk, and I remind you of how often you've posted that we'll never really leave.
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Have you lost the ability to read?
Cancel article 50 and Brexit with it
Is there any part of that you need to have explained?
And I explained why, it's the only safe thing to do
Its actually quite likely the most dangerous thing to do.
You have literally said everything at some point. I wouldn't be surprised if you have referenced the pm being taken out by a sniper and wrote three different sizes of the bullets.
The only difference between you and everyone is you care and remember what you wrote.
I have been listening to the BBC and am forming the view that there is a method in this madness. After the Queens Speech, it is a new session of Parliament and it would be allowable to re introduce the WA yet again. So were he to introduce the WA with only 10 days left, the Remainers who previously voted against, would be hard put continue that stance as the alternative is no deal. Those who would accept a deal will of course accept,..giving a majority. What he will be looking for is something which will enable him to sell something as having changed the back stop.
Nonsense the disturbance would only be temporary.
After all there is nothing left in the way of promises made at the time of the referendum is there?
So the leave voters have lost nothing at all.
Nothing ventured and nothing gained.
Except perhaps a moral lesson not to be taken in by the likes of Johnson , Gove and co.
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The last sentence is right, but the prelude certainly wasn't. You and I have both posted 500 times in this thread June 2019 to date, I've raised far less subjects than you, and I'm in here less time.
I leave the bulk of brexit matters to others to argue ad nauseaum.
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And you don't see what Boris is up to, when he brings back May's Brino deal, you will, you aren't entertaining for even one moment the absurd notion that Boris wants to carry the buck over Brexit if it goes wrong are you?
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Clever of Boris to con the Queen into agreeing to proroguing parliament by the wording of his letter
Dear Colleague,
I hope that you had an enjoyable and productive summer recess, with the opportunity for some rest ahead of the return of the House.
I wanted to take this opportunity to update you on the government's plans for its business in parliament.
As you know, for some time parliamentary business has been sparse. The current session has lasted more than 340 days and needs to be brought to a close - in almost 400 years only the 2010-12 session comes close, at 250 days. Bills have been introduced, which, while worthy in their own right, have at times seemed more about filling time in both the Commons and the Lords, while key Brexit legislation has been held back to ensure it could still be considered for carry-over into a second session. This cannot continue.
I therefore intend to bring forward a new bold and ambitious domestic legislative agenda for the renewal of our country after Brexit. There will be a significant Brexit legislative programme to get through but that should be no excuse for a lack of ambition!
We will help the NHS, fight violent crime, invest in infrastructure and science and cut the cost of living.
This morning I spoke to Her Majesty The Queen to request an end to the current parliamentary session in the second sitting week in September, before commencing the second session of this parliament with a Queen's speech on Monday, 14 October. A central feature of the legislative programme will be the government's number one legislative priority, if a new deal is forthcoming at EU Council, to introduce a Withdrawal Agreement Bill and move at pace to secure its passage before 31 October.
I fully recognise that the debate on the Queen's Speech will be an opportunity for members of parliament to express their view on this government's legislative agenda and its approach to, and the result of, the European Council on 17-18 October. It is right that you should have the chance to do so, in a clear and unambiguous manner.
I also believe it is vitally important that the key votes associated with the Queen's Speech and any deal with the EU fall at a time when parliamentarians are best placed to judge the government's programme. Parliament will have the opportunity to debate the government's overall programme, and approach to Brexit, in the run up to EU Council, and then vote on this on 21 and 22 October, once we know the outcome of the Council. Should I succeed in agreeing a deal with the EU, parliament will then have the opportunity to pass the bill required for ratification of the deal ahead of 31 October.
Finally, I want to reiterate to colleagues that these weeks leading up to the European Council on 17/18 October are vitally important for the sake of my negotiations with the EU. Member States are watching what parliament does with great interest and it is only by showing unity and resolve that we stand a chance of securing a new deal that can be passed by parliament. In the meantime, the government will take the responsible approach of continuing its preparations for leaving the EU, with or without a deal.
The business managers in both Houses will shortly engage with their opposite numbers, and MPs more widely, on plans for passing a deal should one be forthcoming. Decisions will also need to be taken about carrying over some of the bills currently before the House, and we will look to work constructively with the opposition on this front. If agreement cannot be reached we will look to reintroduce the bills in the next session, and details on this will be set out in the Queen's Speech.
As always my door is open to all colleagues should you wish to discuss this or any other matter.
Yours sincerely,
The Rt Hon Boris Johnson MP
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She could hardly turn him down without calling him a liar.
And she's too wise to get involved personally.
Dear Colleague,
I hope that you had an enjoyable and productive summer recess, with the opportunity for some rest ahead of the return of the House.
I wanted to take this opportunity to update you on the government's plans for its business in parliament.
As you know, for some time parliamentary business has been sparse. The current session has lasted more than 340 days and needs to be brought to a close - in almost 400 years only the 2010-12 session comes close, at 250 days. Bills have been introduced, which, while worthy in their own right, have at times seemed more about filling time in both the Commons and the Lords, while key Brexit legislation has been held back to ensure it could still be considered for carry-over into a second session. This cannot continue.
I therefore intend to bring forward a new bold and ambitious domestic legislative agenda for the renewal of our country after Brexit. There will be a significant Brexit legislative programme to get through but that should be no excuse for a lack of ambition!
We will help the NHS, fight violent crime, invest in infrastructure and science and cut the cost of living.
This morning I spoke to Her Majesty The Queen to request an end to the current parliamentary session in the second sitting week in September, before commencing the second session of this parliament with a Queen's speech on Monday, 14 October. A central feature of the legislative programme will be the government's number one legislative priority, if a new deal is forthcoming at EU Council, to introduce a Withdrawal Agreement Bill and move at pace to secure its passage before 31 October.
I fully recognise that the debate on the Queen's Speech will be an opportunity for members of parliament to express their view on this government's legislative agenda and its approach to, and the result of, the European Council on 17-18 October. It is right that you should have the chance to do so, in a clear and unambiguous manner.
I also believe it is vitally important that the key votes associated with the Queen's Speech and any deal with the EU fall at a time when parliamentarians are best placed to judge the government's programme. Parliament will have the opportunity to debate the government's overall programme, and approach to Brexit, in the run up to EU Council, and then vote on this on 21 and 22 October, once we know the outcome of the Council. Should I succeed in agreeing a deal with the EU, parliament will then have the opportunity to pass the bill required for ratification of the deal ahead of 31 October.
Finally, I want to reiterate to colleagues that these weeks leading up to the European Council on 17/18 October are vitally important for the sake of my negotiations with the EU. Member States are watching what parliament does with great interest and it is only by showing unity and resolve that we stand a chance of securing a new deal that can be passed by parliament. In the meantime, the government will take the responsible approach of continuing its preparations for leaving the EU, with or without a deal.
The business managers in both Houses will shortly engage with their opposite numbers, and MPs more widely, on plans for passing a deal should one be forthcoming. Decisions will also need to be taken about carrying over some of the bills currently before the House, and we will look to work constructively with the opposition on this front. If agreement cannot be reached we will look to reintroduce the bills in the next session, and details on this will be set out in the Queen's Speech.
As always my door is open to all colleagues should you wish to discuss this or any other matter.
Yours sincerely,
The Rt Hon Boris Johnson MP
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She could hardly turn him down without calling him a liar.
And she's too wise to get involved personally.
Apparently the Media are being Prorogued as well!
