Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Fascinating situation where we have people on here who deplored the officials of the EU as unelected cheering on an individual equally unelected and not merely that but employing
tactics to stifle debate and opposition.
And now with no Mandate for no Brexit and a majority of 1 (with luck) despite Parliament voting against it, he's going ahead.
Or is he?
And this same individual isn't even trusted by the Brexit party, a bogus a privately owned pressure group, that has no power in parliament anyway.
I don't trust him either.
A few kind words to fudge the backstop, and a bit of glamour to the wrapper of Mays Brino deal, is easily the most probable outcome.
 
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oyster

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Fascinating situation where we have people on here who deplored the officials of the EU as unelected cheering on an individual equally unelected and not merely that but employing
tactics to stifle debate and opposition.
And now with no Mandate for no Brexit and a majority of 1 (with luck) despite Parliament voting against it, he's going ahead.
Or is he?
And this same individual isn't even trusted by the Brexit party, a bogus a privately owned pressure group, that has no power in parliament anyway.
I don't trust him either.
A few kind words to fudge the backstop, and a bit of glamour to the wrapper of Mays Brino deal, is easily the most probable outcome.
With a so-called government from a party chock-full of hypocrites:

'Mad suggestion': how Tory ministers once viewed call to prorogue parliament
There was a time when Matt Hancock said it would disrespect war dead and Amber Rudd branded it a ‘ridiculous suggestion’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/29/mad-suggestion-how-tory-ministers-once-viewed-call-to-prorogue-parliament
 

OxygenJames

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Clever of Boris to con the Queen into agreeing to proroguing parliament by the wording of his letter

Dear Colleague,


I hope that you had an enjoyable and productive summer recess, with the opportunity for some rest ahead of the return of the House.

I wanted to take this opportunity to update you on the government's plans for its business in parliament.
As you know, for some time parliamentary business has been sparse. The current session has lasted more than 340 days and needs to be brought to a close - in almost 400 years only the 2010-12 session comes close, at 250 days. Bills have been introduced, which, while worthy in their own right, have at times seemed more about filling time in both the Commons and the Lords, while key Brexit legislation has been held back to ensure it could still be considered for carry-over into a second session. This cannot continue.
I therefore intend to bring forward a new bold and ambitious domestic legislative agenda for the renewal of our country after Brexit. There will be a significant Brexit legislative programme to get through but that should be no excuse for a lack of ambition!

We will help the NHS, fight violent crime, invest in infrastructure and science and cut the cost of living.
This morning I spoke to Her Majesty The Queen to request an end to the current parliamentary session in the second sitting week in September, before commencing the second session of this parliament with a Queen's speech on Monday, 14 October. A central feature of the legislative programme will be the government's number one legislative priority, if a new deal is forthcoming at EU Council, to introduce a Withdrawal Agreement Bill and move at pace to secure its passage before 31 October.


I fully recognise that the debate on the Queen's Speech will be an opportunity for members of parliament to express their view on this government's legislative agenda and its approach to, and the result of, the European Council on 17-18 October. It is right that you should have the chance to do so, in a clear and unambiguous manner.

I also believe it is vitally important that the key votes associated with the Queen's Speech and any deal with the EU fall at a time when parliamentarians are best placed to judge the government's programme. Parliament will have the opportunity to debate the government's overall programme, and approach to Brexit, in the run up to EU Council, and then vote on this on 21 and 22 October, once we know the outcome of the Council. Should I succeed in agreeing a deal with the EU, parliament will then have the opportunity to pass the bill required for ratification of the deal ahead of 31 October.
Finally, I want to reiterate to colleagues that these weeks leading up to the European Council on 17/18 October are vitally important for the sake of my negotiations with the EU. Member States are watching what parliament does with great interest and it is only by showing unity and resolve that we stand a chance of securing a new deal that can be passed by parliament. In the meantime, the government will take the responsible approach of continuing its preparations for leaving the EU, with or without a deal.

The business managers in both Houses will shortly engage with their opposite numbers, and MPs more widely, on plans for passing a deal should one be forthcoming. Decisions will also need to be taken about carrying over some of the bills currently before the House, and we will look to work constructively with the opposition on this front. If agreement cannot be reached we will look to reintroduce the bills in the next session, and details on this will be set out in the Queen's Speech.
As always my door is open to all colleagues should you wish to discuss this or any other matter.
Yours sincerely,
The Rt Hon Boris Johnson MP
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She could hardly turn him down without calling him a liar.
And she's too wise to get involved personally.
I think its roughly around 1660 when the monarchy lost its power over parliament. Unless you want to go back to Magna Carta.
 

oldgroaner

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Blimey, a sense of perspective from the DM. Seems its not only OG with outraged underwear.
We should all be revolting.
Beginning to like Boris.
Lets see now, would you approve of someone in the position of cancelling Brexit taking the same action?
Of course not.
Hypocrite
 
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Woosh

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Like I keep saying - him and Cummings have a plan. A master plan. And so far everything is falling into place.
their plan is to knock the house down and ask an American architect like Steve Bannon to draw plans for a new one.
We'll be a state of the USA.
 

oldgroaner

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I think its roughly around 1660 when the monarchy lost its power over parliament. Unless you want to go back to Magna Carta.
And the last thing the Queen wants to do is upset the apple cart that suits them so well.
You can't blame her for that, after all why should be fate of the people concern her?
It never has before.
 

oldgroaner

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So only another 16.4 million and you're almost up to how many voted for Brexit.
Meaning what exactly? Remain need to find that many people to lie to and dupe?
You are in not in the majority on present polling results so save the smug comments
 

OxygenJames

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Don't be an idiot , he will make a fool of you.
Thanks but I am willing to take the risk.

What is your idea? Corbyn? Farage? Whatever woman 'leads' the LDs? Seriously? You think the country would be better off with one of them in charge? Because those are the alternatives.
 

50Hertz

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So only another 16.4 million and you're almost up to how many voted for Brexit.
A Brexit that definitely would not result in a no deal situation with the EU. The numbers to which you refer are therefore entirely meaningless. The referendum is null and void.

By your twisted logic, it would be legitimate to give people a pay cut because they voted for a pay rise, and then justify it by saying they voted for a pay adjustment.

The referendum is now irrelevant, it’s dead and counts for nothing. The time has come for you to now accept this.
 

OxygenJames

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Meaning what exactly? Remain need to find that many people to lie to and dupe?
You are in not in the majority on present polling results so save the smug comments
Everything in moderation my Dad used to say to me.

Including being smug.

Now is a good time to be smug.

It won't last of course - but enjoy it while you can eh?

Cheer up OG. We're all headed in the same direction. You've gotta make your own peace with the end. That's the real challenge if you ask me.
 

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