Brexit, for once some facts.

50Hertz

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News burbling in the background, our beloved chancellor clearly not accepting (in public) any likelihood of a recession. Minutes later, "most analysts expect a recession if we have no-deal brexit" (or something like that) from someone reporting elsewhere.
Would you expect anything else from a short-arsed idiot with a squeaky voice and a Malteser for a head?
 
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No - but I wouldn't focus criticism on height, voice and baldness.

Incompetence and deeply questionable working background, and now lack of truth, seem to be what are really wrong.
I take your points, but incompetence, shadowy backgrounds, and dishonesty are the norm, those things go without saying when referring to the current crop of imbeciles. I was just trying to focus on the things which enables people to pick Javid out as he floats around in the septic tank.
 

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The most encouraging I've seen on a news program is a report on how strongly most female voters dislike Boris Johnson.

The female vote could well finish him in a general election, just as Theresa May's poor GE result ended any future for her.

The Tories won't forgive another marginal result in an election against Jeremy Corbyn. Even if they scraped into power, they'd get rid of Bojo and possibly Brexit too.
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The most encouraging I've seen on a news program is a report on how strongly most female voters dislike Boris Johnson.

The female vote could well finish him in a general election, just as Theresa May's poor GE result ended any future for her.

The Tories won't forgive another marginal result in an election against Jeremy Corbyn. Even if they scraped into power, they'd get rid of Bojo and possibly Brexit too.
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I fear it will be too late, Johnson will have crashed us out of the EU.

Another mind boggling thing is that Johnson is threatening to override the sovereignty of parliament in order to take us out of the EU, because leaving the EU protects the sovereignty of parliament, apparently. Work that one out if you can.

They are even saying now that leave voters accepted that Brexit will cause harm because the Remain side warned them that it would. They are using that argument to say that changing circumstances make no difference to the original Brexit vote.

There are no words.

And Corbyn. The ball is on the opposing team’s goal line, the other team aren’t even on the field, the crowd are watching with open mouthed anticipation........... and he misses the shot. The ball hits the post and bounces back, hitting him squarely in the face. He then collapses in a heap with a squashed nose. He is completely unfit for the first team. Never in a million years.

I find myself being pushed towards Jo Swinson by an unwelcome tide of effluent. It makes the waters look calmer and clearer out in the channel and into Europe.
 
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The Tories won't forgive another marginal result in an election against Jeremy Corbyn. Even if they scraped into power, they'd get rid of Bojo and possibly Brexit too.
there is no chance that the tory party renounces brexit, no matter how hard it hits the economy.
Another by-election defeat is not going to endear them to the EU.
 

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I fear it will be too late, Johnson will have crashed us out of the EU.
Unfortunately, I find it very hard to disagree.

However, I do wonder if things are happening about which we know nothing.

There have been many court cases which have not been known about until after the event. Could someone already be trying to get this government's behaviour, or certain elements of it, in front of the supreme court?
 

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Unfortunately, I find it very hard to disagree.

However, I do wonder if things are happening about which we know nothing.

There have been many court cases which have not been known about until after the event. Could someone already be trying to get this government's behaviour, or certain elements of it, in front of the supreme court?
The thing I’m clinging to is a hope that Johnson is bluffing the EU into thinking we will leave without a deal, but privately accepting that would be disastrous and too big a price to pay.

If it is a bluff it’s not a bad one, because people, me included, are buying it.
 

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The most encouraging I've seen on a news program is a report on how strongly most female voters dislike Boris Johnson.

The female vote could well finish him in a general election, just as Theresa May's poor GE result ended any future for her.

The Tories won't forgive another marginal result in an election against Jeremy Corbyn. Even if they scraped into power, they'd get rid of Bojo and possibly Brexit too.
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I wish that to be true, but I heard so many vox pops during the leadership election campaign where women went, sort-of, "Ooh! Boris." Almost simperingly.
 
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The thing I’m clinging to is a hope that Johnson is bluffing the EU into thinking we will leave without a deal, but privately accepting that would be disastrous and too big a price to pay.

If it is a bluff it’s not a bad one, because people, me included, are buying it.
Even if so, it is an immensely expensive bluff and one which in itself will cause a huge amount of damage.
 
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The thing I’m clinging to is a hope that Johnson is bluffing the EU into thinking we will leave without a deal, but privately accepting that would be disastrous and too big a price to pay.
we'd like to think so but I reckon the EU actually wants us to negotiate while we don't have access to their market and they have cheap access to ours.
 

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Aren't you sick of people saying that what we all need, especially businesses, is certainty?

You know, we had that a few years ago. ALL the uncertainty is caused by leave.

(Yes, I am aware that everyone knows this but I just can't help wanting to repeat it.)
 

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You know, we had that a few years ago. ALL the uncertainty is caused by leave.
all the uncertainty is actually caused by about 40 ERG MPs led by Marc Francois and Steve Baker.
We would have left the EU by now if it weren't for their atlanticism.
Even after we've left, there is still prospect for utter chaos caused by the incompatibility between a deal that saves jobs linked to the EU and us joining the USA.
 

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there is no chance that the tory party renounces brexit, no matter how hard it hits the economy.
Another by-election defeat is not going to endear them to the EU.
No indeed they won't alone, I didn't mean that. I meant if they only barely scrape into power, parliament could well be strong enough to renounce Brexit.
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flecc

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I wish that to be true, but I heard so many vox pops during the leadership election campaign where women went, sort-of, "Ooh! Boris." Almost simperingly.
That's dramatically changed since. All the leaks about his children by other women scattered around, plus the well publicised quotes of his past misogynistic statements have done a lot of damage.

On the vox pop I watched I was astonished at the vehemence of so many women attacking him. One when asked what she thought of him, swore, which was blanked. When the reporter said that couldn't be broadcast, she replied "What swear word will you broadcast about him".
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That's dramatically changed since. All the leaks about his children by other women scattered around, plus the well publicised quotes of his past misogynistic statements have done a lot of damage.

On the vox pop I watched I was astonished at the vehemence of so many women attacking him. One when asked what she thought of him, swore, which was blanked. When the reporter said that couldn't be broadcast, she replied "What swear word will you broadcast about him".
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Yes - I too remember that (or another similar occasion). Yet he still got elected and I still heard many women say they were voting for him.
 
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Yes - I too remember that (or another similar occasion). Yet he still got elected and I still heard many women say they were voting for him.
Not the past, I'm speaking of now. It was from Friday, yesterday, interviews during that day.

As said, a big change in attitudes.
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That's dramatically changed since. All the leaks about his children by other women scattered around, plus the well publicised quotes of his past misogynistic statements have done a lot of damage.

On the vox pop I watched I was astonished at the vehemence of so many women attacking him. One when asked what she thought of him, swore, which was blanked. When the reporter said that couldn't be broadcast, she replied "What swear word will you broadcast about him".
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How many children do we know, or think we know, about?
 
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