Cockroaches are also very durable. Doesn't mean I think they should run the country.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Cockroaches are also very durable. Doesn't mean I think they should run the country.
the right wing press and the conservatives are very happy that JC is where he is and they will keep him there as long as they can!
JC: Leader of the Opposition, leader of remainers!
A Warwickshire sheep farmer expresses his concerns about Brexit:
“The general feeling is sell every damn lamb you have by 31st October. We're in a massive mess now.''
“The general feeling is sell every damn lamb you have by 31st October. We're in a massive mess now.''
I suggest it is because the Welsh mutton is a superior product from one which has spent 6 months frozen ,and therefore sells at a premium. If the Welsh farmers cannot export it they will need to sell it at home,at lower prices, and then will not be able to buy a new JCB.
Would you prefer an ant to run the country?
One does!.................
Speaking of undesirable insects there was a reference to Cummins in a reader comment in the Independent that caught my eye
"He’s an ant and Westminster is the magnifying glass. It only takes a sunny day. "
Naughty reader! tut tut
we get more money selling our lamb to the French and buy cheaply NZ's lamb.
After brexit, I expect NZ's lamb is going to drive Welsh farmers to the wall.
Using facts again... this is your last warning......
Have to say, my first time living in Wales, I grew to really appreciate hogget. Bit of breast, on top of potatoes and onions in the oven is just magic.
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Using facts again... this is your last warning......
Here's a much more simple answer.
If all trade between the UK and the EU ceased after we left, it would cost each man, woman and child in the EU under £900 in lost exports.
It would cost each man, woman and child in the UK over £4300 in lost exports.
In other words, we need the EU nearly five times more than they need us.
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It wouldn’t be the fact that there are five times as many people in Europe than the UK?
Simple division.
Yes!. Got it in one.... 500 is bigger than 66
Of course Fingers, that was the blindingly obvious point I was making, that our much smaller size with a rough trading balance potentially makes leaving without a deal very expensive for the UK.
I was refuting the leaver contention that the EU need us more the we need them. They don't, and their refusal to renegotiate underlines that.
Actually the EU without us is nearly 7 times our population size.
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But it’s not a one size fits all. On a very basic level over here. Worst case scenario.
Welsh hill farmers go to the wall but Scottish trawler men become the fishing kings of Europe.
It’s not a black and white situation. Same as in Europe. Italian Prosecco manufactures lose but French farmers win. It’s a much more complicated problem for the EU.
Hopefully sanity will prevail. The EU seems to be taking it personally. But EU exporters couldn’t give a **** if we leave at their level. They just want to trade.
Same as us.
It doesn't really matter what happens in the EU after Brexit, does it, what matters is the hit we take.
Perhaps you had better look more carefully at the Scottish Fishermens situation after Brexit
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/what-does-a-no-deal-brexit-look-like-for-fishing/
And a large portion of the UK share of the catch has been sold to the Dutch
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Its a shame that very few politicians or pundits made this point strongly during the time of the referendum. I can remember seeing interviews by the BBC and other organisations, where they let the leaver politicians get away with this rubbish and did not challenge them on it.
If we do leave with no deal then obviously NF and BJ will be mostly to blame but so will JC, he was absolutely pathetic leading up to the referendum. I think he even went on holiday for a week or two prior to the vote.
It makes one wonder if democracy in the two major parties is such a good thing, as they have ended up being led by BJ and JC. I am thinking that perhaps just MPs should choose the leader of each party and not party members. Not very democratic I know, but I doubt Labour MPs would have chosen JC, not too sure about the Tories though. They may have gone for someone more trustworthy than BJ.
A very good point about the democracy argument. As I see it, human beings in the shires and constituencies elect one of their members to become their MP for a fixed term. They then endow that person with godlike powers (I am not being flippant here). These people go to Westminster and then elect one of their number to speak to the Head of State and be first amongst equals . The Head of State obviously then gives seals of office to this person,who then distributes them to persons he or she can trust,and the business of Governance continues.
In this scenario, the MPs are currently all reneging on their fundamental duty of ensuring that they and no others select the First among Equals.
Any political party or grouping of MPs can elect their leader using whatever method they desire..including pass the parcel, but it need not follow that the Party Leader, of even the largest party ,should be Prime Minister.
There should therefore have been a Vote of Confidence in BJ even before he was allowed travel to the Queen.
Based on newspaper reports of today, There should be a vote of no Confidence in BJ listed as the first order of Business, when Parliament returns in September. These reports indicate that he intends to flustrate the will of Parliament, in the event of getting no deal, by delaying a General Election until November,when one could be called earlier.
You are falling for a now very old, but sadly still swallowed political trick.
The dead cat bounce.
It’s also utilising an even older trick of expect the worse so when it’s only bad you feel you have won a small victory.
The remainers are lapping it up. It’s so obvious. Corbyns silence is deafening.
There is only one show in town now.
Yes but which town?.
If you are making some kind of argument that the EU will change its mind because someone has rearranged the deckchairs and put up new bunting.. ,,you are mistaken. The fundamentals remain exactly the same under BJ as they were under TM ,except time is running out and the markets know that, hence the slide in sterling.
The increasingly likely outcome is the October Crashout, not because the EU or even the UK Parliament want it,but because BJ will flustrate the will of Parliament for a deal or an extension,and the EU will be legally unable to provide an extension ,without being asked.
If on the other hand,you are implying that a backstop confined to NI is the lesser evil, then yes that is a "concession" the EU can oblige. If you are even implying that customs alignment can drift apart at a rate predicated on agreed performance targets for Technical solutions , then I can also agree.
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