Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

It wouldn’t be the fact that there are five times as many people in Europe than the UK?

Simple division.

simple division indeed, but the long term effect is very different.
Their producers are not exposed, the EU administration will get more money from import duty levied on UK products bought by the EU27 than our current direct contribution, their income will not be exposed. They can sit back as long as Bojo wants.
Our producers will face increased competition from cheap imports, some will lose their business.

 

[oyster]

the EU administration will get more money from import duty levied on UK products bought by the EU27 than our current direct contribution.

That is a very sensible way of looking at that issue.

Of course, if duties/tariffs remain in place, they also make our goods less competitive in Europe. In time it might well reduce below our contribution - if...

 

[Woosh]

Of course, if duties/tariffs remain in place, thay also makes our goods less competitive in Europe. In time it might well reduce below our contribution - if...

if we still have no deal with the EU over 5 years, our exports to the EU27 will be reduced to little more than seafood and Scotch whiskies while our imports change little.

 

[oyster]

Was very very very slightly pleased to see this:

Brexit: Corbyn seeks clarity on 'unconstitutional' election-time no-deal

 

[oyster]

if we still have no deal with the EU over 5 years, our exports to the EU27 will be reduced to little more than seafood and Scotch whiskies while our imports change little.

Though there are problems with whisky...

The Scotch Whisky industry welcomes the extension of the Article 50 negotiation period to the end of October, removing the immediate threat of a no-deal Brexit and giving more time for consensus to be found.

It is vital that MPs use this additional time wisely. If politicians’ positions over the next six months are as intractable as they have been over the last two years then we will be back in exactly the same position in October. A lack of agreement in October will pose our industry real challenges because at that point we will be entering our busiest time of year.

The current uncertainty is making business decisions across the Scotch Whisky industry difficult, and we have spent millions of pounds on no-deal planning. The substantial costs we have incurred is money that could have been spent more productively in continuing to stimulate growth in our industry and in boosting exports.

We urge politicians to find a way forward, which will involve compromise on all sides. Then we can move on to clarifying the terms of the UK’s future relationship with the EU.

In that future trade partnership, we want to see minimal changes to the costs and processes of exporting to Europe, minimal divergence on regulations, and continued UK influence on trade policy. Whether this can be achieved in or out of a customs union is for negotiators to resolve.
https://www.scotch-whisky.org.uk/insights/brexit/

 

[oldgroaner]

You are falling for a now very old, but sadly still swallowed political trick.

The dead cat bounce.

It’s also utilising an even older trick of expect the worse so when it’s only bad you feel you have won a small victory.

The remainers are lapping it up. It’s so obvious. Corbyns silence is deafening.

There is only one show in town now.

With any luck a No Deal Brexit , and a very interesting situation

 

[Woosh]

Portillo did a very good job last night on Channel 5:

https://www.my5.tv/portillo-the-trouble-with-the-tories/season-1/episode-2-2-2-2-2

For once, the politicians say it like it is.

 

[flecc]

The EU seems to be taking it personally.

The EU isn't taking it personally. They just can't accede to our wish for a deal that's better than membership.

That's simply because if they granted it to the UK there'd be a queue of 27 behind of course, wanting the same.
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[Nev]

Portillo did a very good job last night on Channel 5:

https://www.my5.tv/portillo-the-trouble-with-the-tories/season-1/episode-2-2-2-2-2

For once, the politicians say it like it is.

Can’t get this to play using an IPad anyone got any ideas?

 

[Fingers]

Can’t get this to play using an IPad anyone got any ideas?

Download the My5 app and watch it on that. It will probably be on Skygo if you have that on your ipad as well.

 

[oldgroaner]

Out of curiosity, what has Boris done today?

Per ardua disaster as they say

 

[oyster]

Out of curiosity, what has Boris done today?

Per ardua disaster as they say

He's dropped sterling a bit more. Pound Sterling-Euro Exchange Rate: 1.0758

 

[oyster]

Just got reminded of some history - as Guto Bebb MP was on television and pretty damning of his own leader and party!

The time Boris Johnson tried to be an MP in Wales
Martin Shipton


Boris Johnson, the runaway favourite to win the Conservative leadership and become Prime Minister, had his electoral debut in Wales 22 years ago.

In 1997 he stood for Parliament in the newly-created constituency of Clwyd South.

It wasn’t a good year for the Tories – they’d been in power for 18 years under Margaret Thatcher and latterly John Major, and all the indications were that Britain was ready to vote Labour and install its dynamic young leader Tony Blair in Downing Street.

If Mr Johnson was keen to embark on a political career, he didn’t really show it. His biographer Sonia Purnell tells how his application to the local Conservative Association was written in a barely legible handwritten scrawl, and how he didn’t bother to include a CV.

Nevertheless, he secured the candidacy by charming local members at the selection meeting, and doubtless because he had more personality than the average applicant in a seat there was little hope of winning.

During the campaign he drove around in a Jaguar with three “Welsh language for beginners” cassettes from which he learned phrases like “iechyd da!” (cheers) and “pysgod a sglodion, os gwelwch yn dda” (fish and chips, please).

But according to the journalist John Hind, who saw him in action, the only time he made “a determined fist” to make a campaign speech in Welsh was in a part of the constituency where no-one spoke it.

At one point during the campaign he did, however, say: “Look, I’m rather pro-European, actually. I certainly want a European community where one can go and scoff croissants, drink delicious coffee, learn foreign languages and generally make love to foreign women.”

Perhaps it was his general love of the good life that prompted Mr Johnson to break electoral law by offering free refreshments at a public meeting. Challenged by our sister paper Wales on Sunday after he advertised the event in a local paper, he sought to play down the illegality with a typically blustering response.

His press officer at the time was Stuart Davies, who had a brief moment of fame at the recent Welsh Conservative conference in Llangollen when he heckled Theresa May, shouting: “Why don’t you resign?”


At the end of the campaign, Mr Johnson was the runner-up with 9,091 votes, nearly 14,000 behind the victorious Labour MP Martyn Jones.

The Conservatives were out of government for 13 years.

Since then, Mr Johnson’s interest in Wales has been minimal, apart from a few walkabout-style celebrity visits during election campaigns.

Despite losing so heavily at Clwyd South, he was elected MP for the safe Tory seat of Henley-on-Thames at the next general election in 2001.

He left Parliament on being elected London Mayor in 2008, returning in 2015 as the MP for Uxbridge and South Ruislip, a seat on London’s western outskirts.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/boris-johnson-gove-conservative-leadership-16438079

 

[50Hertz]

The Daily Fail readers comments make interesting regarding the latest trade figures. Very anti-Brexit, anti-no Deal and anti Johnson. I think the very real prospect of losing their livelihood, and with it a good portion of their world, is starting to register in the mind. Brexit voters didn’t vote for misery.

Remember it was Gove who promised that the U.K. would dictate the terms of the post Brexit trade deal. The poor bastards believed him, & he had me for a while too, so wake up to what’s happening FFS. There is no shame in admitting a mistake.

 

[oyster]

The Daily Fail readers comments make interesting regarding the latest trade figures. Very anti-Brexit, anti-no Deal and anti Johnson. I think the very real prospect of losing their livelihood, and with it a good portion of their world, is starting to register in the mind. Brexit voters didn’t vote for misery.

Remember it was Gove who promised that the U.K. would dictate the terms of the post Brexit trade deal. The poor bastards believed him, & he had me for a while too, so wake up to what’s happening FFS. There is no shame in admitting a mistake.

News burbling in the background, our beloved chancellor clearly not accepting (in public) any likelihood of a recession. Minutes later, "most analysts expect a recession if we have no-deal brexit" (or something like that) from someone reporting elsewhere.

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Daily Mail
"
No Deal Brexit bailout fund to stop some of Britain's biggest employers going out of business if the UK crashes out the EU is being planned by Boris Johnson's 'war cabinet'

Insanity

 

[oldgroaner]

Don't forget this man has everything (not) under control
Good parody site by the way

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1159781589787828224

He may look like an idiot
and sound like an idiot
but don't let that fool you
He truly is a dangerous idiot

 

[oyster]

In the Daily Mail
"
No Deal Brexit bailout fund to stop some of Britain's biggest employers going out of business if the UK crashes out the EU is being planned by Boris Johnson's 'war cabinet'

Insanity

Already depleted by £300 million for British Steel. Being bought by a Turkish military pension fund????

 

[oyster]

He's dropped sterling a bit more. Pound Sterling-Euro Exchange Rate: 1.0758

And a bit more: 1.0639.

Graph of historical rates:

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/bank-of-england-spot/historical-spot-exchange-rates/gbp/GBP-to-EUR

 

[50Hertz]

In the Daily Mail
"
No Deal Brexit bailout fund to stop some of Britain's biggest employers going out of business if the UK crashes out the EU is being planned by Boris Johnson's 'war cabinet'

Insanity

But the Brexit everyone voted for is going to be a great thing. It’s going to boost the economy, we are going to dictate trading terms to the EU, new global markets are going to open up, the EU are going to be banging at our door pleading to trade. Johnson, Gove and Farage between them stated all of these things.

So, if Brexit is such a wonderful idea, why do we need over six thousand million pounds to limit some of the damage it will do? Why do we need a “war cabinet?” A war cabinet is to fight something bad, they told us Brexit is going to be good, so why does it need a war cabinet? Why does it need a bail out fund to try and prevent the biggest employers going out of business? What happens to small and medium sized businesses and their workers? Where is the money coming from, because government revenue, by their own admission, is going to shrink? Is Brexit going to reverse everything that 10 years of austerity and public service pain has achieved in just a matter of weeks? Doesn’t this evidence make you wonder if Brexit might be a bad idea.

Why can’t people see that they have been ******-over? I can see that I was and I’m embarrassed and I’m disappointed with myself for voting Brexit. But I’m not lying to myself by pretending that somehow British Bulldog determination will see us through. When you start lying to yourself like that, deep down, you know you’ve got it wrong and it’s time to put the brakes on.

I bet there are millions of people who are thinking they’ve made a mistake by voting for Brexit, particularly employees. They’ve got to get over this ridiculous notion that there is shame in admitting a mistake and changing your mind.

Wake up and look at the evidence that Brexit is going very wrong. Johnson & Co don’t care about you, your job or your family, they just see Brexit as the most likely way to hold onto power.

But out of all this, the most astonishing thing is that no one anywhere can say how they expect to benefit from Brexit. That has to be the most unfathomable & shockingly stupid event in history. Think about it, people want to cause hurt to themselves and the country, but they don’t know what for. I don’t want this to sound snobbish, but that has to be the very purists definition of stupidity.