Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

The Express is even worse
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Fury at 'Marxist' plot to force Queen to make Jeremy Corbyn PM and take control of Brexit
TORIES erupted in fury last night at Labour’s “Marxist revolutionary” plot to demand the Queen installs Jeremy Corbyn in No 10.
The Labour leader will turn up at the gates of Buckingham Palace to demand he is made prime minister if Boris Johnson loses a confidence vote in the Commons, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell declared yesterday. Labour will tell the Queen, “We’re taking over,” he said. Conservatives said the shameless plan showed Labour could not be trusted with power.

Great stuff! and exactly what we can expect at this point in time in an attempt to divert attention.
The truth is if Johnson loses a vote of confidence there is nothing to stop anyone asking the Queen to make anyone PM it really is her choice, and frankly I can't see her saying any other than call an election.
She is much wiser than to take sides.

 

[50Hertz]

In the Telegraph an example of how lunatic the right wing have become
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‘We’re taking over’John McDonnell’s threat to embroil Queen if PM defies confidence vote branded a ‘coup’

Branded a coup ? for trying to prevent what amounts to a dictatorship?
Truly this paper has become an enemy of the people.
Where does the "coup" come in?

As much as I detest Labour, if they can create a majority in Parliament, then that’s it, they are entitled to try and form a government. There is no coup or seizing of power, it’s how the system works.

The constant use of hostile language and the setting of people with different opinions against each other by the newspapers is what worries me. Its people against politicians, Leavers against Remainers, Britain against the EU, Workers against Unions. It’s never ending and I’m quite sick of it.

What exactly do we think we are going to achieve with all of this infighting? Nothing, we will go backwards.

 

[oyster]

About time TM joined the other ex-PMs and condemned BJ and his so-called government and their avowed policies.

 

[Woosh]

As much as I detest Labour, if they can create a majority in Parliament, then that’s it, they are entitled to try and form a government. There is no coup or seizing of power, it’s how the system works.

if Bojo loses a vote of no confidence, I don't think JC is going to win one.
JC is hopelessly unsuited to run a national unity government if ever there was one.

 

[50Hertz]

JC is hopelessly unsuited.

You could have left it there

 

[Woosh]

The difference in import export tariffs on milk and cheeses illustrates the irrationality of no deal brexit.
Our government sets zero tariff on imported milk, meat and cheeses to keep down price in the shops while our producers have to face full WTO tariff on their export, the end result: they have to cull their cattle.
No amount of government support post no deal brexit is going to help them stay in business.

 

[Danidl]

The difference in import export tariffs on milk and cheeses illustrates the irrationality of no deal brexit.
Our government sets zero tariff on imported milk, meat and cheeses to keep down price in the shops while our producers have to face full WTO tariff on their export, the end result: they have to cull their cattle.
No amount of government support post no deal brexit is going to help them stay in business.

That is a valuable graphic!.

 

[Fingers]

The difference in import export tariffs on milk and cheeses illustrates the irrationality of no deal brexit.
Our government sets zero tariff on imported milk, meat and cheeses to keep down price in the shops while our producers have to face full WTO tariff on their export, the end result: they have to cull their cattle.
No amount of government support post no deal brexit is going to help them stay in business.

Surely the answer is to set subsidies for our farmers to sell to the internal marker and set tariffs for imported generic product such as milk.

Less environmental impact and fresher produce.

 

[Zlatan]

It sums our situation up when after the fiasco Tories have given us over last 3 years the general feeling is that Labour and specifically Corbyn are incapable of running country.
Our present captain has almost run aground, suffered a capsize or 2, been lost on numerous occasions, hasnt a clue where we are heading, not even sure where we, ve been and is looked on as a type of baffoon, yet amazingly the crew still have more confidence in him than alternative. Doesnt say much for Labour does it?

 

[Woosh]

Surely the answer is to set subsidies for our farmers to sell to the internal marker and set tariffs for imported generic product such as milk.

Less environmental impact and fresher produce.

people get confused about tariffs.
Without trade deal, our exporters will face full WTO wherever they try to sell, they can't compete.

UK government can reduce import tariffs to nearly zero but can't change WTO tariffs which will be applied to our exports.
That's why we need the implementation period where we can sign FTAs in advance and still trade at current tariffs.

In the event of no deal brexit, our exporters are the first and immediate victims, which in turn, kills the business of our producers which in turn, loses jobs and kills government tax revenue. Our consumers will also suffer but only indirectly, through the fall in GBP exchange rate.

 

[oyster]

The difference in import export tariffs on milk and cheeses illustrates the irrationality of no deal brexit.
Our government sets zero tariff on imported milk, meat and cheeses to keep down price in the shops while our producers have to face full WTO tariff on their export, the end result: they have to cull their cattle.
No amount of government support post no deal brexit is going to help them stay in business.

I wonder how the 12.82 M Abstain breaks down into "Positively chose not to vote", "Couldn't make up my mind", "Prevented by circumstance (e.g. some emergency)" and "CBA (couldn't be arsed)"? Or any other categories you can think of.

 

[flecc]

I wonder how the 12.82 M Abstain breaks down into "Positively chose not to vote", "Couldn't make up my mind", "Prevented by circumstance (e.g. some emergency)" and "CBA (couldn't be arsed)"? Or any other categories you can think of.

Excepting "Couldn't make up my mind", those all in the minority I think. I'd guess the majority who abstained were confused and didn't really understand what's involved.
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[Woosh]

Excepting "Couldn't make up my mind", those all in the minority I think. I'd guess the majority who abstained were confused and didn't really understand what's involved.
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if Bojo pushes through no deal brexit, they'll be all decided after Christmas.

 

[flecc]

JC is hopelessly unsuited to run a national unity government if ever there was one.

Oh I don't know, he may be the perfect person to run a coalition, since sitting on the fence doesn't involve disagreeing with anyone on anything. Peace in our time as Chamberlain once said! And he appears to be able to work with anyone, just look at his front bench lineup.

amazingly the crew still have more confidence in him than alternative.

Perhaps not so amazing, just look at all the prime ministers he's outlived, and it could be one more if Bojo fails by January as could well happen.
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[Fingers]

Oh I don't know, he may be the perfect person to run a coalition, since sitting on the fence doesn't involve disagreeing with anyone on anything. Peace in our time as Chamberlain once said! And he appears to be able to work with anyone, just look at his front bench lineup.



Perhaps not so amazing, just look at all the prime ministers he's outlived, and it could be one more if Bojo fails by January as could well happen.
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Outliving anything or anyone is just luck. It's not a strategy.

 

[Woosh]

Oh I don't know, he may be the perfect person to run a coalition, since sitting on the fence doesn't involve disagreeing with anyone on anything. Peace in our time as Chamberlain once said! And he appears to be able to work with anyone, just look at his front bench lineup.

he can't decide - that's lethal for high office.

 

[Zlatan]

Oh I don't know, he may be the perfect person to run a coalition, since sitting on the fence doesn't involve disagreeing with anyone on anything. Peace in our time as Chamberlain once said! And he appears to be able to work with anyone, just look at his front bench lineup.



Perhaps not so amazing, just look at all the prime ministers he's outlived, and it could be one more if Bojo fails by January as could well happen.
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I meant crew still have more confidence in Bojo than Corbyn. That ranks Corbyn about as low as you can get.

 

[flecc]

Outliving anything or anyone is just luck. It's not a strategy.

True, but survival is also a form of winning. It's almost the only winning most ever experience.
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[flecc]

he can't decide - that's lethal for high office.

It's taking an awfully long time to kill him off!
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[flecc]

I meant crew still have more confidence in Bojo than Corbyn. That ranks Corbyn about as low as you can get.

This is a two way street. The fact that Corbyn still survives is also an indictment of how bad the opposition is.
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