Brexit, for once some facts.

jonathan.agnew

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Even though the part from China has already been through the correct customs channels?

That is horrifically over bureaucratic. The EU should be streamlining this not adding to it.

I do maintain that the EU is actually terrified of a free market.
I gather you have not yet extruded your head, my dear friend? Have you read the news at all over the past few years? Have you noticed what happened in the "complete free market" between China and US? Trump is a complete populist wuckfit, but his protectionism wasnt born in a complete vacuum. Can you imagine what will happen to us in a "complete free market"?
 
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Hi Danidl, You live in Ireland, can you see anybody putting a hard boarder in place as OG suggests we will have too.
A very fair question. I live very close to the Border ,just south of Dundalk. They have rebuilt and extended a Customs facility in the town. This would I think be for checking paperwork. I see a huge yard being built and equipped at Dublin port. But I do not see bails of razor wire and concrete bollards straddling the road at Carrickarnon..,or bomb crews cratering the myriad of minor roads and paths..YET.
It is the Irish Governments hope that some level of sanity will affect the UK Cabinet and if a border is required,it gets put up at the PORTs . So at the moment it is a game of chicken.
Incidentally there is a sequence of photos doing the rounds , probably gleaned from Google Earth showing the absurdity of border with being in NI and the UK while walking on the left side of a path (we call them boreens),and being in the EU on the right.
But getting back to OGs stance.. yes I can see it happening, and I can see the likely consequences.
 
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still nowhere near Fleccs incorrect data though.
Not my incorrect data as you well know.

The site the chart came from was illustrating the ten most expensive against the ten least expensive in the world, so no doubt taking the highs and lows for those charts.

You didn't appear to notice that I also posted this above:

"But all these and more have become more expensive per night:"

in response to Dave, and that wasn't untrue against the data shown.
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I gather you have not yet extruded your head, my dear friend? Have you read the news at all over the past few years? Have you noticed what happened in the "complete free market" between China and US? Trump is a complete populist wuckfit, but his protectionism wasnt born in a complete vacuum. Can you imagine what will happen to us in a "complete free market"?

eh?
 

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I suspect the "Average" might be getting pushed up by the odd millionaire spending £20k a night on the penthouse suite. I went on Holliday 8 times last year and would say my average spend is about £250 a day for me and the wife and that includes everything. (staying in nice hotels)
We went to Goa and South Africa this spring. Goa was £600 each, flights, transfers and B&B in a cracking hotel for 14 nights. Eating out around £20 a night. (With free shuttle to beach restaurants run by hotel)
South Africa was £1100 each for 14 nights, flights, transfers but no food. Breakfast around ten quid each, dinner about £20.(Dont do lunches normally doing something)
Holidays are cheapest they, ve ever been if you hunt around. Poor exchange adds 10 or 15% turning fantastic value into excellent. For really cheap go to Vietnam. Stunning place, eat out for £5.Hotels incredible, people friendly, hot and windy. Last spring we went for a month, reckon it was cheaper than staying home. Again, exchange rate changes of + or - 15% or so are irrelevant.
If you want decent value just avoid France. Biggest rip off in world. £5 for a coffee. Exchange rate does matter with their prices. A coffee in Vietnam... around 50p. Ok 55p if pound has dropped 10%.????
Just get off beaten track, its whole point of going away.
 
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You have to laugh at Gove , he always looks like the schoolboy holding a catapult while standing in front of a broken window insisting it was the window's fault!

I think it's jolly sporting of him to worry about Europe's interest, how about thinking about ours and sending back article 50 with an apology for nuisance caused?
 

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France has high taxes, that's all.
And expensive coffee, wine, beer and food. The restaurants are over priced and over rated. I wont be going back.
Put it this way, for same price as shopping at Lidl and cooking your own food in France you can eat out at top restaurants in Vietnam. Why go? Cant be for the locals, they dont like us. (until you get well south)
We lived near Perpignan for 9 years, should have left after a couple. We visited last September. Went for coffee and croissant at local cafe one morning,cost £10. Hows that work??? Must be one hell of a tax.
Whatever the reason they are having a laugh. Dont know how locals survive.
 

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And expensive coffee, wine, beer and food. The restaurants are over priced and over rated. I wont be going back.
Put it this way, for same price as shopping at Lidl and cooking your own food in France you can eat out at top restaurants in Vietnam. Why go? Cant be for the locals, they dont like us. (until you get well south)
We lived near Perpignan for 9 years, should have left after a couple. We visited last September. Went for coffee and croissant at local cafe one morning,cost £10. Hows that work??? Must be one hell of a tax.
Whatever the reason they are having a laugh. Dont know how locals survive.
I usually eat out at the brasseries. It's a bit of a squeeze for space and you have to like the noise but on the plus side, the price is reasonable and the food is OK.
I agree prices have rocketed over the years.
 
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flecc

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We visited last September. Went for coffee and croissant at local cafe one morning,cost £10. Hows that work??? Must be one hell of a tax.
Not just the tax but the costs of their 35 hour week. Vietnamese employees certainly don't have that benefit, nor catering workers in Britain.
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oldgroaner

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We went to Goa and South Africa this spring. Goa was £600 each, flights, transfers and B&B in a cracking hotel for 14 nights. Eating out around £20 a night. (With free shuttle to beach restaurants run by hotel)
South Africa was £1100 each for 14 nights, flights, transfers but no food. Breakfast around ten quid each, dinner about £20.(Dont do lunches normally doing something)
Holidays are cheapest they, ve ever been if you hunt around. Poor exchange adds 10 or 15% turning fantastic value into excellent. For really cheap go to Vietnam. Stunning place, eat out for £5.Hotels incredible, people friendly, hot and windy. Last spring we went for a month, reckon it was cheaper than staying home. Again, exchange rate changes of + or - 15% or so are irrelevant.
If you want decent value just avoid France. Biggest rip off in world. £5 for a coffee. Exchange rate does matter with their prices. A coffee in Vietnam... around 50p. Ok 55p if pound has dropped 10%.????
Just get off beaten track, its whole point of going away.
Tell me Zlatan, just how many people on zero hours contracts have a lifestyle like that? as far as they are concerned your world is further away than the Moon.
No wonder you are out of touch with reality.
And that seems to be the same case with the other leave supporters on here.
You all really don't think Brexit will dent your little consumer fantasy world do you?
 
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oldgroaner

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The public will be advised not to panic buy over a no deal Brexit.
Meanwhile....


On the principle the problem will be very short term, but if not???
 
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The public will be advised not to panic buy over a no deal Brexit.
Meanwhile....

On the principle the problem will be very short term, but if not???
it's good that Bojo tries to take us out of the EU on no deal.
Bojo is going to the USA, Raab goes to Toronto.

our planned WTO tariff is low enough for most countries, nobody except ourselves will be in a hurry.
Canada is not bothered, USA will have the Democrats to stop any deal Trump comes up with. Reality will sink in very soon.
Best time for new election is after Christmas. WTO brexit will be well understood by everyone.
 
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Danidl

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Not just the tax but the costs of their 35 hour week. Vietnamese employees certainly don't have that benefit, nor catering workers in Britain.
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..on a trip to Siagon, and going down stairs to the swimming pool at my hotel, I missed my turn and I came across a large bare room..bare that is except for the 40 or so night staff who were sleeping on the floor in sleeping bags . So if you are happy that your staff are being treated like that, no wonder prices are low. Equally the case, while out strolling, it was evident that the construction staff building the new office blocks were sleeping rough on the raw concrete. This was not in the dark ages, but about a decade ago.
 

Zlatan

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..on a trip to Siagon, and going down stairs to the swimming pool at my hotel, I missed my turn and I came across a large bare room..bare that is except for the 40 or so night staff who were sleeping on the floor in sleeping bags . So if you are happy that your staff are being treated like that, no wonder prices are low. Equally the case, while out strolling, it was evident that the construction staff building the new office blocks were sleeping rough on the raw concrete. This was not in the dark ages, but about a decade ago.
Its not Saigon. Its Ho Chi Minh City.
Agreed, pity more people dont visit to help their economy grow.
 

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