Brexit, for once some facts.

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I don't think anyone will put up any border posts anytime soon but that does not mean WTO brexit won't have huge impact on NI and ROI. Until now, they can trade tariff free and to a large extent, with little paperwork. From November 1st, all businesses involved in cross border trade with the EU will have huge admin problems.
I give you an example:
I have a customer in Jersey, Channel Island. He needs to send a part back to us today.
Guess how many forms I have to fill in on his behalf: 3 forms, properly signed, letterhead etc, stamps, recorded delivery, dig out the original customs declaration when we imported the part from China, pay Condor Ferries their admin fees etc.
Same again when we send him the replacement part.
Who would want to sell to EU customers after brexit?
Would customers in the EU want to buy from us?

Just imagine you will have to do the same to send a part from Belfast to Dublin and vice versa.

Even though the part from China has already been through the correct customs channels?

That is horrifically over bureaucratic. The EU should be streamlining this not adding to it.

I do maintain that the EU is actually terrified of a free market.
 

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You are not being sensible.. The major travel companies arrange with hotels block bookings in the Autumn and Winter months and the market areas they will operate in . So the hotels serving fresh fruit salads will pitch their product at price points which will be unattractive to very cash strapped tourists.
For brilliant right wing capitalists, yourself and Fingers are being rather dim. Now the hoteliers on Ibitza are also capitalists but are not dim.
The pound is down to 1.08 Euros, May I revise my Hotel bedsheet nylon content estimate from >75% to >80%.
 
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So if we leave with no deal will the EU immediately force a hard border on Ireland (I'll give you a clue, will they bullocks) proving that a backstop was never needed.
They’ve been playing Leo like a fiddle. His purpose will soon be served and his usefulness to his EU masters exhausted.
 
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Even though the part from China has already been through the correct customs channels?

That is horrifically over bureaucratic. The EU should be streamlining this not adding to it.

I do maintain that the EU is actually terrified of a free market.
that is because the Channel Islands are in the Customs Union, they are not in the VAT Union.
After we leave on WTO, NI and ROI won't be in Customs nor VAT Union.
Our economy is so emmeshed into the EU's that it will take time to devise all the solutions.
As I said before, we'll win big when we make commerce with China as easy as with the EU at the moment.
When we leave, I guess businesses like mine or Kudosdave or Wisper will have to split into EU and UK operations.
I am already retired so it does not bother me much not to sell abroad.
 
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It seems you missed that the prices on the chart I posted were inclusive of hotel, taxis, meals, entertainments etc., the whole typical holiday expenditure.
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Yeah I know. It was quoting £600 odd pounds a night for a couple.

I'm guesting that couple have a rather diverting cocaine habit to be ploughing through that money so quickly.

Paris is the most expensive place I've been. Mental. But even then with a meal, a show, some drinks even a dance I'd struggle to burn through £600 quid every night.
 
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let's not fall for the lure of a "Free Market" it simply means we will become a dumping ground for nations we are not able to compete with.
What industry and Farming we have is defended by tariff structures and deals that are the opposite of a "Free Market"
 
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BBC reports extra £1bn for NHS capital spending this yr. There’s a catch: The £1bn is cash hospitals and other NHS trusts already have but have been forbidden to spend. They earned it last yr in incentive payments for cutting their costs
So Boris is giving away something that cost the Government nothing.
 
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Great fun watching team Liar king trying to blame the EU because their No Deal bluff isn't impressing them.
This is like watching a school bully posturing in front of the heavyweight boxing champion of the world.
No deal it is and about time too! now Boris will take the blame and so will all the other leave plotters too.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving group of traitorous buffoons.
Boris will come to find he should have done what he did after the referendum and run off to hide somewhere.
 
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Yeah I know. It was quoting £600 odd pounds a night for a couple.

I'm guesting that couple have a rather diverting cocaine habit to be ploughing through that money so quickly.

Paris is the most expensive place I've been. Mental. But even then with a meal, a show, some drinks even a dance I'd struggle to burn through £600 quid every night.
I suspect the "Average" might be getting pushed up by the odd millionaire spending £20k a night on the penthouse suite. I went on Holliday 8 times last year and would say my average spend is about £250 a day for me and the wife and that includes everything. (staying in nice hotels)
 

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That particular hotel with its canned veg is going to get slated on tripadvisor. :D :D :D
Of course..but needs must so for example Hotel Pennsylvania on Time Square , Manhatten constantly gets bad reviews ,is low cost and still survives..there is a market at every price point. No I have not stayed there, a junior colleague had and advised ne.
 
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I suspect the "Average" might be getting pushed up by the odd millionaire spending £20k a night on the penthouse suite. I went on Holliday 8 times last year and would say my average spend is about £250 a day for me and the wife and that includes everything. (staying in nice hotels)

Yeah for sure. Including flights etc.

£1400 for a week is reasonable for 2. You could even spend £3k for a 10 day trip to Barbados. still nowhere near Fleccs incorrect data though.

Edit. I got an absolute steal earlier this year by booking last minute. BA Flights to Palma. Business class on the way back landing at City Airport and an all inclusive hotel for £288! £20 per person per day in sun drenched Mallorca.

I did end up spending more as we went out and about but there are many bargains to be had and it won't go away.

Still chuckling at pet grade meat, tinned vegetables and scratchy sheets though!
 
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Yeah I know. It was quoting £600 odd pounds a night for a couple.

I'm guesting that couple have a rather diverting cocaine habit to be ploughing through that money so quickly.

Paris is the most expensive place I've been. Mental. But even then with a meal, a show, some drinks even a dance I'd struggle to burn through £600 quid every night.
Then you are simply not trying hard enough.. as opposed to this website where you are simply trying.
 
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Lol. I'm Olympic level at spending money but can see Fleccs stats are silly and not at all genuine.
It's that "average" thing again, I was always told that years ago people only lived to be 35 years old, then I saw something on TV that said because 50% of children died before they were 10 years old it brought the average age down to 35-40...loads of people lived longer. On holiday their will be a big difference between what Mr average holidaymaker spends to the average spend on holidays.
 
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50Hertz

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Of course..but needs must so for example Hotel Pennsylvania on Time Square , Manhatten constantly gets bad reviews ,is low cost and still survives..there is a market at every price point. No I have not stayed there, a junior colleague had and advised ne.
I’ve stayed in that hotel and it’s **. I secured a last minute place in the New York Marathon and that hotel had many rooms available in the week before the event. Everywhere else was fully booked. It is without doubt the worst hotel I’ve ever stayed in.

I love the fact that it was your “junior colleague” who had to suffer the >70% nylon content bed sheets and the canned veg. That’s ace.
 
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