Brexit, for once some facts.
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They weren’t the hotel staff, they were your “junior colleagues” sleeping under nylon sheets, whilst you were in slumber wrapped in Egyptian cotton.
Health Secretary Hancock is reported:
“What I can guarantee to you is that we have full plans in place to deliver the unhindered supply of medicines to make sure the NHS runs as effectively as it does today through any Brexit scenario,” he said.
If he is so confident, wouldn't it be good to offer some solid guarantees? Like:
£10 for every person who doesn't get their prescribed medicine due to brexit (preferably from his own pocket);
£100 for every person who doesn't get their prescribed treatment (e.g. radiotherapy) due to brexit;
Free funeral for everyone who dies due to brexit;
And so on.
“What I can guarantee to you is that we have full plans in place to deliver the unhindered supply of medicines to make sure the NHS runs as effectively as it does today through any Brexit scenario,” he said.
If he is so confident, wouldn't it be good to offer some solid guarantees? Like:
£10 for every person who doesn't get their prescribed medicine due to brexit (preferably from his own pocket);
£100 for every person who doesn't get their prescribed treatment (e.g. radiotherapy) due to brexit;
Free funeral for everyone who dies due to brexit;
And so on.
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I bet they had tinned vegetables as he was dining on fresh pak Choi too. The swine!
Reader response to Gove saying the EU are intransigent.
"Think on this Rupert Gove: Withdraw A50, the quickest and least expensive way out of this mess we are in. How can conditions that exist in the UK right now be preferable to resuming our seat at the top table as a respected and honourable member of the world’s largest trade group? Don’t forget, we would not forfeit our right to decide to leave at a later date. When we have a plan and are better prepared, but not now.
Pity that the so obviously sensible thing to do won't happen!
"Think on this Rupert Gove: Withdraw A50, the quickest and least expensive way out of this mess we are in. How can conditions that exist in the UK right now be preferable to resuming our seat at the top table as a respected and honourable member of the world’s largest trade group? Don’t forget, we would not forfeit our right to decide to leave at a later date. When we have a plan and are better prepared, but not now.
Pity that the so obviously sensible thing to do won't happen!
The second comment is interesting, especially the origin of the backstop
It would appear WE asked for it!
And the most obvious thing here is that the Leave supporter imagines the EU to be an all powerful single entity, not an alliance of 27 member states
A fundamental deliberate error.
It would appear WE asked for it!
And the most obvious thing here is that the Leave supporter imagines the EU to be an all powerful single entity, not an alliance of 27 member states
A fundamental deliberate error.
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we asked to extend it to the whole of the UK. The EU only wanted the backstop for NI.
TM saw the opportunity to stay in the SM and CU without paying membership fee as the mean to pressurise the EU for a good FTA similar to EFTA.
I was in the treasury I made figures up when I was in the treasury
It's hard not to laugh at the sheer comedy here
"I made that up, no I didn't make them up"
It's hard not to laugh at the sheer comedy here
"I made that up, no I didn't make them up"
it's only because the ERG saw it as an obstacle to a deal with the USA and stopped it.
Just look at how much American firms, money and politicians are involved in promoting/selling brexit.
Sometimes forecasting is making it up.....have you not seen a 7 day weather forecast.
he has to set a date for a new GE after he lost a confidence vote.
The problem is that the leave campaign sold Brexit with Promises not Forecasts, in other wordsSometimes forecasting is making it up.....have you not seen a 7 day weather forecast.
Deliberate lies, and the 7 day forecasts improve in accuracy as the science behind them does.
Leave EU lies merely look worse, criminally so, it is baffling why anyone still believes them.
Are you expecting all the promises they made to be honoured? indeed any of them??
Since none of them will be what remains that makes Brexit worth while for the people who voted for it?
Give us a clue.
The EU said they didn't want an Army but you won't see that as a lie, just a forecast. Can you see any advantage of leaving ?
the £39 billion bill.
It's easy to believe that membership of the EU is more expensive than the official remittances.
The ever closer union.
Unlike France, Belgium, the Netherlands, this country did not suffer from German occupation in the last war. People don't see the benefit in a US of E.
None at all, and in any case we would be better off being part of an EU army than being possibly opposed by it!
I cannot see any advantage of leaving at all, what I can offer is one or two reasons to remain
- Membership of the world’s largest trading bloc with over 500 million consumers, representing 23% of global GDP
- The UK has greater global influence as a member of the EU
- The EU provides a counterweight to the global power of the US, Russia and China
- With Trump in the White House the UK’s strongest natural allies are France, Germany and our other West European neighbours
- Tariff-free trade within the EU
- The abolition of non-tariff barriers (quotas, subsidies, administrative rules etc.) among members
- Participation in free trade agreements with Japan and Canada as an EU member
- The EU accounts for 44% of all UK exports of goods and services
- The EU accounts for 53% of all UK imports of goods and services
- Cheaper food and alcohol imports from continental Europe
- As a member of the EU the UK maintains a say in the shaping of the rules governing its trade with its European partners
- 3.1 million jobs in the UK are directly linked to exports to the EU
- Free movement of labour has helped UK firms plug skills gaps (translators, doctors, plumbers)
- Free movement of labour has helped address shortages of unskilled workers (fruit picking, catering)
- The Single Market has brought the best continental footballers to the Premier League
- The EU accounts for 47% of the UK’s stock of inward Foreign Direct Investment (FDI), worth over $1.2 trillion
- Access to the EU Single Market has helped attract investment into the UK from outside the EU
- No paperwork or customs for UK exports throughout the single market
- Price transparency and removal of commissions on currency transactions across the Eurozone
- FDI into the UK has effectively doubled since the creation of the EU Single Market
- The UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is around €7.3bn, or 0.4% of GDP (less than an eighth of the UK’s defence spending)
- No time consuming border checks for travellers (apart from in the UK)
- The City of London, as a global financial hub, has acted as a bridge between foreign business and the EU
- British banks and insurance companies have been able to operate freely across the EU
- Cornwall receives up to £750 million per year from the EU Social Fund (ESF)
- Structural funding for areas of the UK hit by industrial decline (South Wales, Yorkshire)
- Support for rural areas under the European Agricultural Fund for Regional Development (EAFRD)
- EU funding for infrastructure projects in the UK including £122 million for the “Midlands engine” project
- Financial support from the EU for over 3,000 small and medium enterprises (SMEs) in the UK
- EU funding for the British film industry
- EU funding for British theatre, music and dance
- EU funding for British sport, including football apprenticeships, tennis and rugby league
- Glasgow (1990) and Liverpool (2008) benefitted from being European capitals of culture, stimulating their local economies
- EU competition laws protect consumers by combatting monopolistic business practices
- Strict controls on the operations of Multinational Corporations (MNCs) in the EU
- Human Rights protected under the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
- The death penalty can never be reintroduced as it is incompatible with EU membership
- Minority languages such as Welsh and Irish are recognized and protected under EU law
- The right to reside in any EU member state
- The freedom to work in 28 countries without visa and immigration restrictions
- The mutual recognition of professional qualifications has facilitated the free movement of engineers, teachers and doctors across the EU
- The mutual recognition of educational diplomas
- The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR) has standardized assessment of language proficiency across the EU
- The freedom to study in 28 countries (many EU universities teach courses in English and charge lower fees than in the UK)
- The Erasmus programme of university exchanges (benefitting 16000 UK students a year)
- The freedom to set up a business in 28 countries
- The ability to retire in any member state
- Pension transferability
- The right to vote in local and European Parliamentary elections if resident in any member state
- EU laws making it easier for British people to buy property on the continent
- The right to receive emergency healthcare in any member state (EHIC card)
- Consular protection from any EU embassy outside the EU
- The EU has played a leading role in combatting global warming (Paris 2015 climate change conference)
- Common EU greenhouse gas emissions targets (19% reduction from 1990 to 2015)
- Improvements in air quality (significant reductions in sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides) as a result of EU legislation
- Reductions in sewage emissions
- Improvements in the quality of beaches and bathing water
- EU standards on the quality of drinking water
- Restrictions on landfill dumping
- EU targets for recycling
- Common EU regulations on the transportation and disposal of toxic waste
- The implementation of EU policies to reduce noise pollution in urban areas
- EU policies have stimulated offshore wind farms
- Strict safety standards for cars, buses and trucks
- Protection of endangered species and habitats (EU Natura 2000 network)
- Strict ban on animal testing in the cosmetics industry
- Membership of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) which monitors the quality and safety of medicines (until recently located in London)
- 13% of EU budget earmarked for scientific research and innovation
- The UK receives £730 million a year in EU funding for research
- EU funding for UK universities
- Cooperation in the peaceful use of nuclear energy as a member of Euratom
- Minimum paid annual leave and time off work (Working Time Directive)
- Equal pay between men and women enshrined in European law since 1957
- The right to work no more than 48 hours a week without paid overtime
- Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women
- Rights to a minimum 18 weeks of parental leave after child birth
- EU anti-discrimination laws governing age, religion and sexual orientation
- EU rules governing health and safety at work
- The rights to collective bargaining and trade union membership are enshrined in EU employment law
- The UK enjoys an opt out from the single currency and maintains full control of its borders as a non-member of the Schengen area
- Since 1985 the UK has received a budget rebate equivalent to 66% of its net contribution to the EU budget
- EU cross-country coordination offers greater protection from terrorists, pedophiles, people traffickers and cyber-crime
- The European common arrest warrant
- Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
- EU consumer protection laws concerning transparency and product guarantees of quality and safety
- Improved food labeling
- A ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives
- Cheaper air travel due to EU competition laws
- Common EU air passenger rights
- Deregulation of the European energy market has increased consumer choice and lowered prices
- Mutual recognition of the common European driving license
- The introduction of the European pet passport
- The abolition of mobile telephone roaming charges
- The EU acts as a guarantor of the Irish Good Friday Agreement
- A frictionless Irish border
- The EU acts as a guarantor of the special status of Gibraltar
- The EU helped support and maintain democracy in Spain, Portugal and Greece from the 1970s and these countries have become major destinations for British tourists
- EU membership has helped facilitate intercultural dialogue
So how about answering my question, if we leave the EU how will it stop them having an army if they want to, and why should you care anyway? we already are part of NATO
So is that really all you expect to gain from Brexit?
Difficult to answer, isn't it?
Because the answer is................
Nothing you can really expect that is positively a benefit.