Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Its easy to criticise Boris but I do suspect EU will bend more now they think he, d take us out under no deal. Dont think there is any point in asking for further extension or granting it if we do. EU really dont want no deal, their budget for next year is short under one.They have spent the divorce sweetener already.

They will find a way for him to present May's deal as a Victory, that and no more.
And he wants that too, as the safest answer.

 

[Danidl]

I know right. Any sane person with a brain would realise that.

But here we are.

It was funny though.

No it was not!

 

[daveboy]

They will find a way for him to present May's deal as a Victory, that and no more.
And he wants that too, as the safest answer.

I think you might be right, Just a slight tweak to the backstop will do it .

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Oh, yes ofcourse, he picked winner in a 2 horse race. Nostradamus lives in Hull and sells bogs for a living.
To be fair to Gerald he has posted more on here than Nostradamus wrote in Les Prophities, when you post so much, something by laws of averages must be right. His sharing out of fishing cash was one of his low ebbs.

And you chose the loser in the two horse race. A one-legged sow with a fat blonde idiot facing the wrong way on it. Now what does that tell us? I dont think we need nostradamus to figure that out.

 

[Fingers]

I think you might be right, Just a slight tweak to the backstop will do it .

It won't be Mays deal. No chance. But a tweek may not be enough.

Don't forget we have real hard man in Ireland. Lol.

Johnson will need to show the commons something tangible has changed.

 

[Danidl]

Darn it but this has to be said: Boris - so far - is playing a blinder with the EU. Finally somebody who knows how to play poker. But here on this list there's almost nobody who can see this because so many are blinded by their previous attitude to the man. Even Fingers. I shake my head with despair.

He is playing a blinder.

He is basically saying - look - we're willing to talk. The old 'agreement' is dead. It never had a chance. Its gone. Like the dead parrot scene from Monty Python.

The EU says oh no its either that or no-deal.

So Boris - playing a blinder - says - well if that's your view then if we 'crash-out' without a deal its down to you then.

And he's right. He is 100% correct in that. We ARE willling to talk. If they refuse - then it is down to them.

And to cap it off - he is stating the obvious - which is that the next move is theirs.

After the shambolic May and whatever idiots ran the negotiation when she was around - wow - what a breath of fresh air.

Except the old agreement is the only agreement.. No if he wants a bit of wriggle room by having the Backstop more localised, fine..no problem, If he is able to sell that as a victory to his troops ,super!.
But to whom does it matter if he convinces a majority in Albion what it is the fault of the perfidous Europeans that he has had to crash out if he crashes out?.

 

[Fingers]

And you chose the loser in the two horse race. A one-legged sow with a fat blonde idiot facing the wrong way on it. Now what does that tell us? I dont think we need nostradamus to figure that out.

Don't be rude.

 

[Woosh]

If the UK did pass the WA, then the other elements would fall into place.

no. There will be numerous stoppages because remain will table extra motions, including a second referendum.
As long as the conservative brexiters cannot command a majority of MPs, the UK remains in the EU.
the only way out of the mess is for the conservatives to lose power to a remain coalition which will revoke A50, then the conservatives will fight the next GE on the ticket to bring brexit back.
This time, there won't be any claim that voters are mislaid.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Darn it but this has to be said: Boris - so far - is playing a blinder with the EU. Finally somebody who knows how to play poker. But here on this list there's almost nobody who can see this because so many are blinded by their previous attitude to the man. Even Fingers. I shake my head with despair.

He is playing a blinder.

He is basically saying - look - we're willing to talk. The old 'agreement' is dead. It never had a chance. Its gone. Like the dead parrot scene from Monty Python.

The EU says oh no its either that or no-deal.

So Boris - playing a blinder - says - well if that's your view then if we 'crash-out' without a deal its down to you then.

And he's right. He is 100% correct in that. We ARE willling to talk. If they refuse - then it is down to them.

And to cap it off - he is stating the obvious - which is that the next move is theirs.

After the shambolic May and whatever idiots ran the negotiation when she was around - wow - what a breath of fresh air.

You are absolutely right. I cannot think of a better negotiating strategy than asserting one will commit suicide if others dont give one what one wants.

 

[oldgroaner]

Darn it but this has to be said: Boris - so far - is playing a blinder with the EU. Finally somebody who knows how to play poker. But here on this list there's almost nobody who can see this because so many are blinded by their previous attitude to the man. Even Fingers. I shake my head with despair.

He is playing a blinder.

He is basically saying - look - we're willing to talk. The old 'agreement' is dead. It never had a chance. Its gone. Like the dead parrot scene from Monty Python.

The EU says oh no its either that or no-deal.

So Boris - playing a blinder - says - well if that's your view then if we 'crash-out' without a deal its down to you then.

And he's right. He is 100% correct in that. We ARE willling to talk. If they refuse - then it is down to them.

And to cap it off - he is stating the obvious - which is that the next move is theirs.

After the shambolic May and whatever idiots ran the negotiation when she was around - wow - what a breath of fresh air.

You baffle me with this illlogic he is so obviously simply B*****ing them.
Playing a blinder from the position of a loser?
Very droll.
All they will do is give him a form of words around the backstop, or even more likely get him to agree to something to Northern Ireland's disadvantage, to disguise May's deal, they know full well that a No deal while bad for them is far worse for us.
And surely no one for a moment believes that or all the money spent on so called No Deal preparations, the government have the situation under control, with the Infrastructure and organisation in place on day one, and are well enough advised to even begin to comprehend the scale of difficulty they will face?
All within 100 Days?
It could take months to do that, meanwhile chaos will reign.
And the Liar king thinks he can use our all too obvious weakness as a threat?
Sort of "Hit me again and I'll bleed all over you?"

They must be wondering what is the best and cheapest method to get rid of the fool, if we are lucky they may decide to throw him a few scraps.

 

[Fingers]

Except the old agreement is the only agreement.. No if he wants a bit of wriggle room by having the Backstop more localised, fine..no problem, If he is able to sell that as a victory to his troops ,super!.
But to whom does it matter if he convinces a majority in Albion what it is the fault of the perfidous Europeans that he has had to crash out if he crashes out?.

Then we leave and cripple your country because your man thinks he's Erdogan. Or some reincarnation of a Fenian god

I tell you Dan people over here do not care if we leave with no deal. We are sick if it all. I can't actually believe Ireland's stance.

It's ridiculous. We should be helping each other yet your mob are putting everything on France. It's weird. Your little country that we help out so much suddenly senses blood and a chance to give us a bloody nose where it will make you break both legs.

It's not good. I hope sanity prevails.

 

[flecc]

Darn it but this has to be said: Boris - so far - is playing a blinder with the EU. Finally somebody who knows how to play poker. But here on this list there's almost nobody who can see this because so many are blinded by their previous attitude to the man.

Of course he is, I've been posting all along that he's bluffing in hope of winning. But that doesn't alter my contempt for him as a person.

I think the EU will prove far tougher than he thinks. They have 27 backbones.
.

 

[Zlatan]

Darn it but this has to be said: Boris - so far - is playing a blinder with the EU. Finally somebody who knows how to play poker. But here on this list there's almost nobody who can see this because so many are blinded by their previous attitude to the man. Even Fingers. I shake my head with despair.

He is playing a blinder.

He is basically saying - look - we're willing to talk. The old 'agreement' is dead. It never had a chance. Its gone. Like the dead parrot scene from Monty Python.

The EU says oh no its either that or no-deal.

So Boris - playing a blinder - says - well if that's your view then if we 'crash-out' without a deal its down to you then.

And he's right. He is 100% correct in that. We ARE willling to talk. If they refuse - then it is down to them.

And to cap it off - he is stating the obvious - which is that the next move is theirs.

After the shambolic May and whatever idiots ran the negotiation when she was around - wow - what a breath of fresh air.

Agreed, well said.

 

[Zlatan]

Of course he is, I've been posting all along that he's bluffing in hope of winning. But that doesn't alter my contempt for him as a person.

I think the EU will prove far tougher than he thinks. They have 27 backbones.
.

He isnt bluffing. Thats the point. As it is, without EU offering to change something, we crash out. Actually, its the EU bluffing. They are in no better position to cope with no deal than we are.
As link I provided earlier, from the Guardian, shows, the EU are changing their stance already, well Germany is. Macron isnt. Yet.

 

[Danidl]

no. There will be numerous stoppages because remain will table extra motions, including a second referendum.
As long as the conservative brexiters cannot command a majority of MPs, the UK remains in the EU.
the only way out of the mess is for the conservatives to lose power to a remain coalition which will revoke A50, then the conservatives will fight the next GE on the ticket to bring brexit back.
This time, there won't be any claim that voters are mislaid.

Sorry it makes no difference what the remainers ,do , in terms of tabling motions etc. It only matters if the commons actually repeals A50 or schedules a referendum AND requests and extension

 

[oldgroaner]

Then we leave and cripple your country because your man thinks he's Erdogan. Or some reincarnation of a Fenian god

I tell you Dan people over here do not care if we leave with no deal. We are sick if it all. I can't actually believe Ireland's stance.

It's ridiculous. We should be helping each other yet your mob are putting everything on France. It's weird. Your little country that we help out so much suddenly senses blood and a chance to give us a bloody nose where it will make you break both legs.

It's not good. I hope sanity prevails.

Just when I thought your posts were about as idiotic as it is possible to get, you lower the bar.
If sanity prevailed Brexit would never have happened.
The majority of people here now, if the polls are to believed, no longer want Brexit in any form.
It offers the public nothing but trouble with no perceivable sort of reward at the end of the process and is being pushed to suit an Elite group of swindlers as remote from you as you are to common sense.
The following sentence of yours is simply only your personal opinion

I tell you Dan people over here do not care if we leave with no deal. We are sick if it all. I can't actually believe Ireland's stance.

Speak for yourself the situation isn't Ireland's fault, it's the fault of the Brexit Voters

 

[Danidl]

He isnt bluffing. Thats the point. As it is, without EU offering to change something, we crash out. Actually, its the EU bluffing. They are in no better position to cope with no deal than we are.

No. The EU has offered a Deal. So there is Deal on the table. So any statement by BJ that there is no deal ,is untrue... or at most nuanced.. what he is saying is there is a Deal which he is unprepared or unwilling to present to the Commons..yet again.
I have been watching British TV, and it is evident that the UK is seriously unprepared.

 

[Woosh]

Sorry it makes no difference what the remainers ,do , in terms of tabling motions etc. It only matters if the commons actually repeals A50 or schedules a referendum AND requests and extension

The HoC cannot request an extension by itself, Bojo has to ask for it and he is not going to unless the EU offers him some concession. That much is clear.
Without EU's offer of some concession, parliament will have little choice, it will try to bring Bojo's government down.

 

[oldgroaner]

He isnt bluffing. Thats the point. As it is, without EU offering to change something, we crash out. Actually, its the EU bluffing. They are in no better position to cope with no deal than we are.
As link I provided earlier, from the Guardian, shows, the EU are changing their stance already, well Germany is. Macron isnt. Yet.

Why are you of the opinion they are in no better position to cope with no deal?
What leap of the imagination have you employed that ignores the fact that they can absorb the trade they do with us internally, while we have at best two or three FTA agreements to fall back on?
And any foreign company based here is more likely to up sticks to the mainland rather than stay here and suffer?

Stop kidding yourself , even if they make a temporary arrangement with us in the short term they will withdraw, freeze us out and look elsewhere after we have proved to be so unreliable.
They would be stupid not to
They already have a huge raft of FTA's world wide where we have sweet nothing.

 

[Zlatan]

Why are you of the opinion they are in no better position to cope with no deal?
What leap of the imagination have you employed that ignores the fact that they can absorb the trade they do with us internally, while we have at best two or three FTA agreements to fall back on?
And any foreign company based here is more likely to up sticks to the mainland rather than stay here and suffer?

Stop kidding yourself , even if they make a temporary arrangement with us in the short term they will withdraw, freeze us out and look elsewhere after we have proved to be so unreliable.
They would be stupid not to
They already have a huge raft of FTA's world wide where we have sweet nothing.

Neither UK nor EU ready for no deal, contingency planning study finds | CBI

New report from UK’s biggest business group puts forward 200 recommendations to help accelerate no deal preparations for UK, EU and companies.

www.cbi.org.uk

Because the CBI says so. Read the report OG.



And thats before we take into account the imbalanced trade between us and EU. In 2018 we exported £289billion of goods, and imported £349 billion. Can EU afford to lose £349 billion in trade sales? Ofcourse they cant. No deal is mutually destructive, and its mutually beneficial for both sides to negotiate a deal both sides are happy with.
May, s team played into EU hands. Seems this lot wont.