Brexit, for once some facts.

[Fingers]

I've just done the Hunt interview with O'Neil.

No big revelations tbh. He said Darroch has publicly said Johnson not backing was his reason to quit. He hasn't but that will be put to Johnson at 1400 when he has his sit down with O'Neil.

Usual fayre from Hunt which is rare from O'Neil. He did pin him down and make him squirm about whether he can guarantee we will be out by xmas but nothing new. I guess he's keeping his powder dry for Johnson later. I hope so.

 

[Fingers]

Personally I think the Israeli treatment of Palestinians is pretty good seeing as they're continually firing rockets into civilian areas.

Imagine the French were randomly firing rockets into Kent. Would we just sit back and do nothing?

Why would the French be firing rockets into Kent?

What's the context?

 

[Woosh]

One I share. It's an entirely valid view which many of us share, and JC should continue to face down the Jewish lobby on this storm in a teacup issue.

I doubt many Labour voters give a damn whether JC or the party support Palestine or not, there are domestic issues which concern them far more.
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the fact is small entities need powerful allies or their struggle against much more powerful enemies won't achieve anything.
You can see it very well in ISIS or Bashir against the UK/US/France/Russia coalition.
The UK is stuck in existing alliances, any future PM will have to work with those alliances which are not going to shift, PMs will have to shift instead.
The way JC hangs on to his personal views makes me think he is not good enough to be PM.
J Hunt for example, holds a minority view on abortion but he does not let that view gets in the way of a possible PM position.

 

[Woosh]

I've just done the Hunt interview with O'Neil.

No big revelations tbh. He said Darroch has publicly said Johnson not backing was his reason to quit. He hasn't but that will be put to Johnson at 1400 when he has his sit down with O'Neil.

Usual fayre from Hunt which is rare from O'Neil. He did pin him down and make him squirm about whether he can guarantee we will be out by xmas but nothing new. I guess he's keeping his powder dry for Johnson later. I hope so.

O'Neil may prefer PM Hunt instead of the waffly Johnson.

 

[Fingers]

 

[Woosh]

China's model is pretty successful.

 

[Danidl]

Yeah - well - everybody has their opinion huh? Which is how comes sometimes we have to vote - to see who's opinion is the one we're going to follow.

Now when did that happen recently.... hmmmmm..... let me think........

..Let me help you..The European Union Parliamentary elections, which returned majorities for pro EU stance parties and punished those who were ambivalent

 

[Woosh]

..Let me help you..The European Union Parliamentary elections, which returned majorities for pro EU stance parties and punished those who were ambivalent

the last BMG poll puts support for the BXP at 14%.
It fell steadily from 24%-26% since the EP vote.

 

[50Hertz]

the last BMG poll puts support for the BXP at 14%.
It fell steadily from 24%-26% since the EP vote.

Hmmm, the intensity of the light being emitted from the pan appears to be diminishing and of short duration

 

[Fingers]

beautiful zinger from O'Neil to start with.

You say you brought the crime rate down by 20% in London

Yes! Yes I did.! Very proud of that.

You do realise that nationally the crime rate went down 26%? So you were behind the rate nationally...

 

[OxygenJames]

Why would the French be firing rockets into Kent?

What's the context?

Do the French ever need a reason to start a war?

 

[OxygenJames]

The vast majority of resident Palestinians are in The West Bank where they suffer greatly from Israeli oppression and theft of land while having nothing more than protest and stones to defend themselves.

The small Gaza Strip governed by Hamas is a different issue and of course the Israelis should vigorously defend themselves against that aggression. They could go about it far more intelligently though.
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But isn't it the fact that had the Israelis not taken over that part of the West Bank Hamas would be in there too firing rockets from that part too. That's the argument you're having to deal with.

 

[OxygenJames]

..Let me help you..The European Union Parliamentary elections, which returned majorities for pro EU stance parties and punished those who were ambivalent

Very funny. I was thinking of another vote we recently had.

 

[OxygenJames]

China's model is pretty successful.

Right. Ever since they completely dropped central government control and allowed markets to set prices.

 

[50Hertz]

Why would the French be firing rockets into Kent?

Because they hate us and are treacherous by nature.

 

[OxygenJames]

O'Neil may prefer PM Hunt instead of the waffly Johnson.

Too late. We've already voted for Boris!

 

[OxygenJames]

Because they hate us and are treacherous by nature.

The man speaketh the truth.

 

[OxygenJames]

one thing I note throughout this thread is how different remainers and brexiters view other general subjects in politics.
In ITV Preston's last Wednesday, there was an interesting ITV poll right at the beginning of the program about voters view on Kim Darroch's resignation.
58% remainers don't want him to go against 20% who do.
Brexiters want the opposite, 28% don't want him to go against 52% who do.

As a rough rule of thumb Leavers tend to support self-determination and assuming the world is not going to end if such and such policy is implemented - whereas Remainers support anything that gets them out of taking any responsibility and are continually wetting their pants about just about anything and thinking that the sky is about to fall in.

 

[flecc]

But isn't it the fact that had the Israelis not taken over that part of the West Bank Hamas would be in there too firing rockets from that part too. That's the argument you're having to deal with.

No I don't think so. The West Bank Palestinian government in Ramallah is at odds with Hamas and has been in all it's previous incarnations from the Palestinian Authority onwards. Their objective has long been to pursue the two state solution by agreement and they see Hamas as obstructing that end even more than the Israelis.
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[50Hertz]

Anyone seen Gerald today? I’m waiting for his unbiased précis of today’s newspapers. If he doesn’t show up soon I’ll be forced to read them for myself and make my own mind up.