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Danidl

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I don’t like the man or anything about him, but in this case, I think he’s a political prisoner.

The Jew-hate going off in the Labour Party, which is escaping prosecution, is scandalous.
Please supply chapter and verse regarding Jew Hating in the Labour party. Someone, perhaps yourself, made similar comments recently and having looked at the so called offensive material , I could not find anything which met that description. Is this part of the muck throwing agenda whereby if enough is thrown, something somewhere will stick , because people just get tired of asking for clarification?.
 
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50Hertz

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Please supply chapter and verse regarding Jew Hating in the Labour party. Someone, perhaps yourself, made similar comments recently and having looked at the so called offensive material , I could not find anything which met that description. Is this part of the muck throwing agenda whereby if enough is thrown, something somewhere will stick , because people just get tired of asking for clarification?.
Action by the Labour Party was taken under duress after effectively being backed into a corner and confronted with evidence of Jew-hate. The party leadership were aware of these allegations but were dragging their feet hoping it would go away, and took no action.

They managed to gear up and expel Alastair Campbell in 48 hours for the hideous crime of voting Liberal Democrat, but let Jew-hate continue unabated.

You are coming across as being formed from the same racist mould.


 
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I don’t like the man or anything about him, but in this case, I think he’s a political prisoner.

The Jew-hate going off in the Labour Party, which is escaping prosecution, is scandalous.
Out of interest we hear lots about Jew-Hate in the Labour Party but actually ZERO evidence is offered to justify these claims.
Why is that I wonder?
 
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Action by the Labour Party was taken under duress after effectively being backed into a corner and confronted with evidence of Jew-hate. The party leadership were aware of these allegations but were dragging their feet hoping it would go away, and took no action.

They managed to gear up and expel Alastair Campbell in 48 hours for the hideous crime of voting Liberal Democrat, but let Jew-hate continue unabated.

You are coming across as being formed from the same racist mould.


It really is time to call for people like you to produce some proof of your claims.
This would be helpful
 
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50Hertz

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Out of interest we hear lots about Jew-Hate in the Labour Party but actually ZERO evidence is offered to justify these claims.
Why is that I wonder?
There’s plenty. Several Labour Party members have been very reluctantly arrested after Creased Dick-Head had the evidence shoved up her chuff on live radio.
 
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50Hertz

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It really is time to call for people like you to produce some proof of your claims.
This would be helpful
Arrests have been made, investigations are ongoing.

I know you don’t like it and would rather turn a blind eye to Labour Jew-hate, but it is happening. It really is time that people like you stood up against racism.
 

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Arrests have been made, investigations are ongoing.

I know you don’t like it and would rather turn a blind eye to Labour Jew-hate, but it is happening.
On the contrary, I am simply interested in seeing some PROOF
You have in fact no idea of what I do and don't like. let me give you a clue
I like PROVABLE TRUTH
I don't like BLATANT LIES AND PROPAGANDA
I presume you are referring to this
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/28/three-members-labour-arrested-raids-anti-semitism-9042498/

Two men in their 50s and a woman in her 70s were detained in March on suspicion of publishing or distributing material likely to stir up racial hatred. All three have been released pending further inquiries and it’s understood they have been suspended from the party.

Not so far gone to court have they?
How many times has the Tory Party covered up Antisemitism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conservative_Party

And also
https://www.antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/MASTER-CONSERVATIVE-PARTY-BRIEFING-25-03-2019-PDF-Version-3.pdf

And again
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/27-times-tory-party-racism-7904018

So why not turn your attention to the Conservatives if Anti-semitism annoys you so much?
Doesn't it fit your agenda?
 
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50Hertz

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On the contrary, I am simply interested in seeing some PROOF
You have in fact no idea of what I do and don't like. let me give you a clue
I like PROVABLE TRUTH
I don't like BLATANT LIES AND PROPAGANDA
I presume you are referring to this
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/28/three-members-labour-arrested-raids-anti-semitism-9042498/

Two men in their 50s and a woman in her 70s were detained in March on suspicion of publishing or distributing material likely to stir up racial hatred. All three have been released pending further inquiries and it’s understood they have been suspended from the party.

Not so far gone to court have they?
The police enquiry was only instigated after a body of evidence was presented, more or less live on air, to the Met Commissioner. Labour knew about it and were trying to sweep it all under the carpet.

The Met's former head of hate crime has reviewed the evidence and concluded that there are four cases of hate crime / race crime, and that they should have been referred/ investigated. Labour did FA. They did FA because they have morphed into a Jew hating organisation under Corbyn.

Of course people are free to criticise Israel if they feel strongly about their conduct, but Labour are going further than that and stirring up hatred of Jews, and that is wrong.

You have condemned Farage, The BXP and Donald Trump on much less evidence than exists here, which is very telling and also very interesting. So if you wish to continue defending this Jew-hate, that’s your personal choice.
 
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Action by the Labour Party was taken under duress after effectively being backed into a corner and confronted with evidence of Jew-hate. The party leadership were aware of these allegations but were dragging their feet hoping it would go away, and took no action.

They managed to gear up and expel Alastair Campbell in 48 hours for the hideous crime of voting Liberal Democrat, but let Jew-hate continue unabated.

You are coming across as being formed from the same racist mould.


Rubbish.. evidence please!
 

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The police enquiry was only instigated after a body of evidence was presented, more or less live on air, to the Met Commissioner. Labour knew about it and were trying to sweep it all under the carpet.

The Met's former head of hate crime has reviewed the evidence and concluded that there are four cases of hate crime / race crime that should have been referred/ investigated. Labour did FA. They did FA because they have morphed into a Jew hating organisation under Corbyn.

You have condemned Farage, The BXP and Donald Trump on much less evidence than exists here, which is very telling and also very interesting. So if you wish to continue defending this Jew-hate, that’s your personal choice.
Have you even read that Independent report?. What it said in essence is that having been supplied with a dossier from a member of the public, they interviewed three then members of the Labour Party, under caution, and then released them...
 

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Of course people are free to criticise Israel if they feel strongly about their conduct, but Labour are going further than that and stirring up hatred of Jews, and that is wrong.
Nonsense, no we are not free to do that. In this forum I was accused of being anti-semitic for refusing to rule out freedom to criticise the behaviour of Israel. The International definition of anti-semitism includes criticism of Israel, and it was Labour's entirely justifiable refusal to accept that which led to the present trouble.

I'm sick to death of Jewish constant whining and bleating about the holocaust, and now the whining about imaginary anti-semitism and discrimination.

The Jews are not being discriminated against in Britain today. I well remember the discrimination against negros and the Irish from the 1950s to the 1070s when notices proclaiming "No Blacks, No Irish" were commonplace outside premises, but none I ever saw included No Jews. So Jews born post WW2 don't even know what real discrimination is. I do, like many closely related to Italians and Germans I suffered it throughout WW2 and for many years afterwards. The last occasion of blatant discrimation I suffered was in 1968, 23 years after the war ended.

But I've just shrugged and moved on, it's in the past.

Jews are a privileged people in Britain today. They hold many senior positions in politics in both Houses of Parliament, in law as QCs and Judges and in business. Quite apart from being unique as a people in having a commemoration day for their suffering in WW2, Jews have other special social privileges like an Eruv in North London.

Given their generally privileged position it's time for all the whining to stop since their is no justification for any of it. Here's a passage I've just lifted from a Jewish website:

"There really has never been a better time to be Jewish in London and at the heart of this change was the establishment of the Eruv in February 2003."

Doesn't sound much like suffering to me.
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50Hertz

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Have you even read that Independent report?. What it said in essence is that having been supplied with a dossier from a member of the public, they interviewed three then members of the Labour Party, under caution, and then released them...
Yawn.........

Wrong again.
 
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The police enquiry was only instigated after a body of evidence was presented, more or less live on air, to the Met Commissioner. Labour knew about it and were trying to sweep it all under the carpet.

The Met's former head of hate crime has reviewed the evidence and concluded that there are four cases of hate crime / race crime, and that they should have been referred/ investigated. Labour did FA. They did FA because they have morphed into a Jew hating organisation under Corbyn.

Of course people are free to criticise Israel if they feel strongly about their conduct, but Labour are going further than that and stirring up hatred of Jews, and that is wrong.

You have condemned Farage, The BXP and Donald Trump on much less evidence than exists here, which is very telling and also very interesting. So if you wish to continue defending this Jew-hate, that’s your personal choice.

I know you are on the wind up but you are talking a lot of bow locks. Israel spends hundreds of millions of pounds lobbying friendly MPs and media to make these stories seem real and more to the point more important than the genocide and land grab going on in Palestine by Benny and your other mates.

It staggers me that such a small country can have such a control on daily lives here. They treat Palestinians on a level of North Koreans. But don’t say too much cos it’s anti Semitic innit.
 
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Nonsense, no we are not free to do that. In this forum I was accused of being anti-semitic for refusing to rule out freedom to criticise the behaviour of Israel. The International definition of anti-semitism includes criticism of Israel, and it was Labour's entirely justifiable refusal to accept that which led to the present trouble.

I'm sick to death of Jewish constant whining and bleating about the holocaust, and now the whining about imaginary anti-semitism and discrimination.

The Jews are not being discriminated against in Britain today. I well remember the discrimination against negros and the Irish from the 1950s to the 1070s when notices proclaiming "No Blacks, No Irish" were commonplace outside premises, but none I ever saw included No Jews. So Jews born post WW2 don't even know what real discrimination is. I do, like many closely related to Italians and Germans I suffered it throughout WW2 and for many years afterwards. The last occasion of blatant discrimation I suffered was in 1968, 23 years after the war ended.

But I've just shrugged and moved on, it's in the past.

Jews are a privileged people in Britain today. They hold many senior positions in politics in both Houses of Parliament, in law as QCs and Judges and in business. Quite apart from being unique as a people in having a commemoration day for their suffering in WW2, Jews have other special social privileges like an Eruv in North London.

Given their generally privileged position it's time for all the whining to stop since their is no justification for any of it. Here's a passage I've just lifted from a Jewish website:

"There really has never been a better time to be Jewish in London and at the heart of this change was the establishment of the Eruv in February 2003."

Doesn't sound much like suffering to me.
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Yeah that’s pretty anti Semitic. I get why people call you that.
 
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Since I owe my life to it treating my Prostate Cancer, I suggest that you try try to con someone less qualified to judge the value of the NHS.

Sorry but once again your post is biased to promote profiteering from the sick by Private Heath Scheme swindles
Morally and ethically repugnant., but then, that's the Conservative point of view is it not?
If the poor die off, the Tory voters can get a tax cut.
nothing new there.
So you take your one case - yourself - as statistically significant.

And you think you're intelligent.

As I've said before - I thought it was us leavers who were supposed to be the stupid ones.
 
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OxygenJames

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This one?
https://www.ofwat.gov.uk/regulated-companies/price-review/
You really are amusing, aren't you?
However I do agree under Tory Government "Basket Case" will soon be reached after Brexit, when all your evil right wing nutters have finished botching the economy to "Make America Great Again"
That's pretty much proves the opposite of what you're saying. As in - because there is no actual market - there has to be regulation. Right. Though there could be a market - as there is for business users.

To quote them:

"Because competition is limited, there is a risk that these companies will not deliver the services their customers want. They may also charge higher prices to increase their profits. This is why they need to be regulated."

Never mind.

Keep dreaming that some idiot in central government can fix prices and develop the economy. Ain't never gonna happen.
 

OxygenJames

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Nonsense, no we are not free to do that. In this forum I was accused of being anti-semitic for refusing to rule out freedom to criticise the behaviour of Israel.
Yeah its totally dumb that any criticism of Israel is defined as anti-semitic. Like any criticism these days of Islam (a bloody stupid religion if you ask me) - is supposed to be islamophobic.

The times we live in.
 

OxygenJames

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I know you are on the wind up but you are talking a lot of bow locks. Israel spends hundreds of millions of pounds lobbying friendly MPs and media to make these stories seem real and more to the point more important than the genocide and land grab going on in Palestine by Benny and your other mates.

It staggers me that such a small country can have such a control on daily lives here. They treat Palestinians on a level of North Koreans. But don’t say too much cos it’s anti Semitic innit.
Innit.
 

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