Brexit, for once some facts.

[OxygenJames]

Out of interest we hear lots about Jew-Hate in the Labour Party but actually ZERO evidence is offered to justify these claims.
Why is that I wonder?

Here: Highlights from Panorama. Plenty of evidence here:

Is Labour Anti Semitic? BBC Panorama Highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRjO0tfK-_s&feature=youtu.be For readers who missed the full hour long documentary last night, it has been cut down to

order-order.com

 

[OxygenJames]

“It is capitalism that ended the stranglehold of the hereditary aristocracies, raised the standard of living for most of the world and enabled the emancipation of women.” - Camille Paglia.

 

[OxygenJames]

“It is capitalism that ended the stranglehold of the hereditary aristocracies, raised the standard of living for most of the world and enabled the emancipation of women.” - Camille Paglia.

 

[flecc]

He's just trying to wind you up Flecc.

I know James, it's his pastime. Silly thing is we have the same opinion regarding the Israeli treatment of Palestinians, but he just doesn't like me saying it.
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[flecc]

Here: Highlights from Panorama. Plenty of evidence here:

Is Labour Anti Semitic? BBC Panorama Highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRjO0tfK-_s&feature=youtu.be For readers who missed the full hour long documentary last night, it has been cut down to

order-order.com

I watched this and nearly died of boredom. Almost an hour of people saying Labour was anti-semitic without saying why. Condensing it down to 8 minutes with most of even that not evidence speaks volumes.

Further evidence of how the whole issue has been grossly inflated out of all proportion.
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[Danidl]

Here: Highlights from Panorama. Plenty of evidence here:

Is Labour Anti Semitic? BBC Panorama Highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRjO0tfK-_s&feature=youtu.be For readers who missed the full hour long documentary last night, it has been cut down to

order-order.com

That 8 minute synopsis, provides no enlightenment. Just a simple question..in the final segment it states in writing that the LP is subject of a statuary inquiry... Is it?.
My understanding of a statuary inquiry is of an inquiry set up by the state, usually on foot of a declaration in parliament,and has a judge appointed and people are required to make public statements under oath.. Has that happened?.

 

[Danidl]

“It is capitalism that ended the stranglehold of the hereditary aristocracies, raised the standard of living for most of the world and enabled the emancipation of women.” - Camille Paglia.

I like to think it was the development of a middle class used to trade,which ended the stranglehold . The requirement to have an emancipation of women, resulted from the Norman invention of Primogeniture.. Other societies including the earlier Gaelic society had a much more equal treatment of women.. Again not putting to much of a gloss on it but those societies were not otherwise egalitarian, as slaves were part of the infrastructure.

 

[50Hertz]

I watched this and nearly died of boredom. Almost an hour of people saying Labour was anti-semitic without saying why. Condensing it down to 8 minutes with most of even that not evidence speaks volumes.

Further evidence of how the whole issue has been grossly inflated out of all proportion.
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If you substituted the words “anti Semitic” with “BXP funding anomaly”, in the Gospel according to St Gerald, that same documentary would have been classed as an overwhelming & irrefutable body of evidence. That’s how unhinged people have become. This thread is littered with charges against the BXP based on far less evidence than exists in the case of Labour’s Jew-hate.

My position is clear, I hate everybody and everything, so I tend to attach the same level of credibility to a report regardless of which side of the political debate it falls on. But my Labour Jew-hating side topic has been an interesting exercise because it illustrates how ready and how eager people are to support racism if it benefits their politics. I think this selective acceptance of evidence / information is the crux of the Brexit problem, people won’t consider alternative possibilities, they are either In or Out to the exclusion of anything which challenges their divine and stubborn beliefs.

Thank you to all of those who have participated.
(No Jews were harmed during this survey)

 

[flecc]

But my Labour Jew-hating side topic has been an interesting exercise because it illustrates how ready and how eager people are to support racism if it benefits their politics.

Amendment: A few people.

This is the problem. On the clear evidence that a very few paid up Labour party members are anti-semitic, the whole party has been unfairly tarred with the same brush. I'm sure 99% of the people who vote Labour have never even considered semitism or Jews when making that choice, and ultimately it's only their votes that count.

As I've inferred, a storm in a teacup.
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[Danidl]

If you substituted the words “anti Semitic” with “BXP funding anomaly”, in the Gospel according to St Gerald, that same documentary would have been classed as an overwhelming & irrefutable body of evidence. That’s how unhinged people have become. This thread is littered with charges against the BXP based on far less evidence than exists in the case of Labour’s Jew-hate.

My position is clear, I hate everybody and everything, so I tend to attach the same level of credibility to a report regardless of which side of the political debate it falls on. But my Labour Jew-hating side topic has been an interesting exercise because it illustrates how ready and how eager people are to support racism if it benefits their politics. I think this selective acceptance of evidence / information is the crux of the Brexit problem, people won’t consider alternative possibilities, they are either In or Out to the exclusion of anything which challenges their divine and stubborn beliefs.

Thank you to all of those who have participated.
(No Jews were harmed during this survey)

..Do we take this as an apology?. Incidentally I would disagree with an assertion that" No Jews were hurt".. whenever untruths are thrown around ,it damages the credibility and standing of others.

 

[Fingers]

do as i say not as i do

Corbynite in charge of schools sends daughter to £40,000-a-year school

EXCLUSIVE: Brighton council's deputy leader Nick Childs sends his daughter to the most expensive girls' school in the UK which has its own swimming pool and golf course.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[50Hertz]

..Do we take this as an apology?

Good grief, no.

 

[Woosh]

As I've inferred, a storm in a teacup.

more than that though. This problem is not going away.
At the root of it is JC's support for the Palestinian side in the Palestine/Israel conflict which many of his predecessors did not hold.

 

[OxygenJames]

I know James, it's his pastime. Silly thing is we have the same opinion regarding the Israeli treatment of Palestinians, but he just doesn't like me saying it.
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Personally I think the Israeli treatment of Palestinians is pretty good seeing as they're continually firing rockets into civilian areas.

Imagine the French were randomly firing rockets into Kent. Would we just sit back and do nothing?

 

[OxygenJames]

I like to think it was the development of a middle class used to trade,which ended the stranglehold . The requirement to have an emancipation of women, resulted from the Norman invention of Primogeniture.. Other societies including the earlier Gaelic society had a much more equal treatment of women.. Again not putting to much of a gloss on it but those societies were not otherwise egalitarian, as slaves were part of the infrastructure.

Yeah - well - everybody has their opinion huh? Which is how comes sometimes we have to vote - to see who's opinion is the one we're going to follow.

Now when did that happen recently.... hmmmmm..... let me think........

 

[daveboy]

Personally I think the Israeli treatment of Palestinians is pretty good seeing as they're continually firing rockets into civilian areas.

Imagine the French were randomly firing rockets into Kent. Would we just sit back and do nothing?

Depends......I will just go through peoples profiles to see where they live.

 

[OxygenJames]

Depends......I will just go through peoples profiles to see where they live.

Yeah right. So long as the rockets are not landing near me I don't care and will continue to virtue-signal how good I am by defending those poor Palestinians.

Pass the hankies.

 

[Woosh]

Yeah right. So long as the rockets are not landing near me I don't care and will continue to virtue-signal how good I am by defending those poor Palestinians.

Pass the hankies.

one thing I note throughout this thread is how different remainers and brexiters view other general subjects in politics.
In ITV Preston's last Wednesday, there was an interesting ITV poll right at the beginning of the program about voters view on Kim Darroch's resignation.
58% remainers don't want him to go against 20% who do.
Brexiters want the opposite, 28% don't want him to go against 52% who do.

 

[flecc]

more than that though. This problem is not going away.
At the root of it is JC's support for the Palestinian side in the Palestine/Israel conflict which many of his predecessors did not hold.

One I share. It's an entirely valid view which many of us share, and JC should continue to face down the Jewish lobby on this storm in a teacup issue.

I doubt many Labour voters give a damn whether JC or the party support Palestine or not, there are domestic issues which concern them far more.
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[flecc]

Personally I think the Israeli treatment of Palestinians is pretty good seeing as they're continually firing rockets into civilian areas.

Imagine the French were randomly firing rockets into Kent. Would we just sit back and do nothing?

The vast majority of resident Palestinians are in The West Bank where they suffer greatly from Israeli oppression and theft of land while having nothing more than protest and stones to defend themselves.

The small Gaza Strip governed by Hamas is a different issue and of course the Israelis should vigorously defend themselves against that aggression. They could go about it far more intelligently though.
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