Brexit, for once some facts.

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Anyone seen Gerald today? I’m waiting for his unbiased précis of today’s newspapers. If he doesn’t show up soon I’ll be forced to read them for myself and make my own mind up.
admit you miss him already!
young love and all that.
 
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Right. Ever since they completely dropped central government control and allowed markets to set prices.
you would be wrong.
Have you wondered how their 5 year and 10 year economic plans always seem to be on track?
If I pay anti dumping duty and counter value duty on my Chinese imports it's because the Chinese government intervenes to make their exports more competitive, that's called 'market manipulation' - same with the artificial pegging of the RMB to the USD to suit their national targets.
 
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you would be wrong.
Have you wondered how their 5 year and 10 year economic plans always seem to be on track?
If I pay anti dumping duty and counter value duty on my Chinese imports it's because the Chinese government intervenes to make their exports more competitive, that's called 'market manipulation' - same with the artificial pegging of the RMB to the USD to suit their national targets.
Opening up markets has been utterly key to their recent economic success. End of.
 

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The police enquiry was only instigated after a body of evidence was presented, more or less live on air, to the Met Commissioner. Labour knew about it and were trying to sweep it all under the carpet.

The Met's former head of hate crime has reviewed the evidence and concluded that there are four cases of hate crime / race crime, and that they should have been referred/ investigated. Labour did FA. They did FA because they have morphed into a Jew hating organisation under Corbyn.

Of course people are free to criticise Israel if they feel strongly about their conduct, but Labour are going further than that and stirring up hatred of Jews, and that is wrong.

You have condemned Farage, The BXP and Donald Trump on much less evidence than exists here, which is very telling and also very interesting. So if you wish to continue defending this Jew-hate, that’s your personal choice.
Thank you for your humour
What an absolute load of old rubbish, and all because I asked for ~PROOF and pointed the finger at the Conservatives who are managing to keep their racism , which extends to Muslims too ,off the agenda.
what sort of a country looks forward to having a Prime Minister that described Muslims in the way Boris has?
One governed by an idiot, that has even managed to commit a huge diplomatic error by adding to the woes of our Ambassador to America because he wanted to Grovel to Trump? before he even starts the job
I can't wait to see what the pillock will do for an encore. ;)
It wouldn't be so bad if he hadn't heaped ordure all over Trump himself when he was Mayor of London

Of course I have Condemned Farage and the BXP Limited, which is simply his media outlet, and Trump is so obviously suffering from dementia you would have to be suffering from it yourself not to see that.
labour stirring up htred of jews,? what I see is a witch hunt aimed at damaging Labour because the Tory party are terrified of Corbyn
 
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oldgroaner

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Yeah right. So long as the rockets are not landing near me I don't care and will continue to virtue-signal how good I am by defending those poor Palestinians.

Pass the hankies.
I suggest you do a lot more research about what is being done in that area by both sides before posting propaganda.
 
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I enjoy my job. I like shaping opinions.
AKA perverting the course of reality...

The trick is if you can shape someone else's opinions, the truth is merely a guideline, and often deliberately ignored (if even understood)
 
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Yeah - well - everybody has their opinion huh? Which is how comes sometimes we have to vote - to see who's opinion is the one we're going to follow.

Now when did that happen recently.... hmmmmm..... let me think........
Which one of Boris's opinions do you fancy?
He has ones to suit any occasion, like his views of Trump for instance
 
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Good joke james show me a folder that shows IEA success stories and they haven't been up to mischief?
How about a folder with this in it?

Courtesy of Wikipedia
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Since Britain voted to leave the European Union (Brexit) by March 2019, the IEA has lobbied consistently for a hard Brexit without customs and regulatory alignment, etc.; a report it published in July 2018 proposed using Brexit to remove rules protecting agency workers, to deregulate finance, annul the rules on hazardous chemicals and weaken food labelling laws.

The IEA supports privatising the National Health Service (NHS); campaigns against controls on junk food; attacks trades unions; and defends zero-hour contracts, unpaid internships and tax havens.[13] Its staff frequently appear on BBC television promoting these positions.

Concerns about political independence; investigation
David Davis, Steve Baker and Lord Callanan, ministers at the Department for Exiting the European Union (DExEU) at the time, all recorded meetings with the IEA in the first three months of 2018.[16] The Observer reported on 29 July 2018 that the director of the IEA was secretly recorded in May and June telling an undercover reporter that funders could get to know ministers on first-name terms and that his organisation was in "the Brexit influencing game". While seeking funding, Littlewood said that the IEA allowed donors to affect the "salience" of reports and to shape "substantial content". The recording was to be given to the Charity Commission on 30 July.

Corruption would be a good name for the Folder
 
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I enjoy my job. I like shaping opinions.
Your opinions and mine on some major issues have very much in common, so little shaping possible or necessary.

But belonging in any job or institution has never appealed, so I've kept those to a minimum. A total of barely 46 years of education and employment was more then enough for me and I later regretted permitting the last four of those years to help out a company.
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Following the shortage of continental crop pickers coming in now, following the Brexit vote, the Home Office has introduces SAWS, Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme.

They've appointed two private companies to recruit workers and I understand that much of the recruiting will be from the Ukraine and Russia. That could lead to some "interesting" scenes in our fields, and no doubt the FSB will have pricked up their ears when learning of this opportunity.
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Opening up markets has been utterly key to their recent economic success. End of.
opening up? that's not what they do! You should read the EU analysis of how they arrived to the 37% anti dumping duty.
(much lighter reading than this thread, only 29 pages).
 
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..From the Irish Times.... Of today
"The Government is exploring the idea of checking live animals and animal products from Britain as they arrive at ports on the whole island of Ireland if there is a no-deal Brexit, Leo Varadkar said on Friday.

This week, the Government repeated that it would not impose any restrictions along the Border if the UK quits the EU without a transition agreement. But Mr Varadkar’s announcement today was the first mention that checks would need to be made somewhere to protect the EU single market.

“The kind of things that we’re looking at and proposing, for example, is that the entire island of Ireland will be treated the same when it comes to agriculture or food and that any SPS [sanitary and phytosanitary] checks would happen at the ports,” Mr Varadkar said in an interview with Newstalk.

“That would mean Britain accepting that Northern Ireland is being treated differently. The other things obviously are checks at business level and random checks and controls, and we’ll have to have a lot more of them anyway because of smuggling.

“This is not a good solution, this is vastly inferior to what we negotiated with prime minister [Theresa] May and is vastly inferior to the North’s current model,” Mr Varadkar said

The impact of a no-deal Brexit on Northern Ireland would be harder than on any other part of Europe, Mr Varadkar warned, and the backstop remained the best compromise.

Mr Varadkar said the next British prime minister will face a “very serious reality check” on Brexit upon taking office.

And he rejected as “incorrect” a claim by the leading candidate, Boris Johnson, that the Border issue could be resolved in a transition phase. – Reuters "

If one goes back to earlier posts of mine, this is very similar to suggestions last December.
 

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