Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Presumable about the same as the EU has invested in this country? what makes you think we have paid more than our share?
You laughed, but have you any evidence?
There are plenty of charts that on the face of it show that to be the case, but the net result over the years has been a benefit , remember the amount we paid in was based on the size of our economy.
And most of our payments did not go on infrastructure, but into policies agreed among the member nations to support
The biggest area of EU spending is on agriculture. That accounts for 40% of the EU's budget, and more than half of the money that comes back to the UK, although this figure has fallen over time.

The other major area of spending, worth a third of the budget, is on funding for what the EU calls "economic, social and territorial cohesion". That means spending in poorer regions of EU member states, often on infrastructure projects like new roads.

Smaller amounts of money go on other economic projects, such as grants for technology research, and the EU's foreign affairs work. A total of 6% of the EU budget is absorbed by administrative costs.
So the notion we paid more into EU infrastructure than they did into ours may well be true, but it would be very difficult to prove one way or the other.
And the sting in the tail is that these expenditures were done with our MEPs involved in the process
(With the notable exception of Nigel Farage)
 
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Woosh

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We will end up like Mexico and Trump won't need to build a wall.
Trump did score a victory by linking trade to border security.
In a way, he made Mexico pay for the wall.
 

Woosh

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BTW, Danish election result last week saw the Social Democrats won 91 of the 179 seats in parliament.
Their leader, Mette Frederiksen, age 41, found popularity on immigration.
Her view includes confiscating assets of immigrants to pay for their support and welfare.
 

Fingers

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You laughed, but have you any evidence?
There are plenty of charts that on the face of it show that to be the case, but the net result over the years has been a benefit , remember the amount we paid in was based on the size of our economy.
And most of our payments did not go on infrastructure, but into policies agreed among the member nations to support
The biggest area of EU spending is on agriculture. That accounts for 40% of the EU's budget, and more than half of the money that comes back to the UK, although this figure has fallen over time.

The other major area of spending, worth a third of the budget, is on funding for what the EU calls "economic, social and territorial cohesion". That means spending in poorer regions of EU member states, often on infrastructure projects like new roads.

Smaller amounts of money go on other economic projects, such as grants for technology research, and the EU's foreign affairs work. A total of 6% of the EU budget is absorbed by administrative costs.
So the notion we paid more into EU infrastructure than they did into ours may well be true, but it would be very difficult to prove one way or the other.
And the sting in the tail is that these expenditures were done with our MEPs involved in the process
(With the notable exception of Nigel Farage)
You are replying to yourself again.

Should we be worried?

Take care of yourself.
 

Danidl

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You laughed, but have you any evidence?
There are plenty of charts that on the face of it show that to be the case, but the net result over the years has been a benefit , remember the amount we paid in was based on the size of our economy.
And most of our payments did not go on infrastructure, but into policies agreed among the member nations to support
The biggest area of EU spending is on agriculture. That accounts for 40% of the EU's budget, and more than half of the money that comes back to the UK, although this figure has fallen over time.

The other major area of spending, worth a third of the budget, is on funding for what the EU calls "economic, social and territorial cohesion". That means spending in poorer regions of EU member states, often on infrastructure projects like new roads.

Smaller amounts of money go on other economic projects, such as grants for technology research, and the EU's foreign affairs work. A total of 6% of the EU budget is absorbed by administrative costs.
So the notion we paid more into EU infrastructure than they did into ours may well be true, but it would be very difficult to prove one way or the other.
And the sting in the tail is that these expenditures were done with our MEPs involved in the process
(With the notable exception of Nigel Farage)
The biggest sting in the tail,as you describe,is that they were agreed in London by UK Cabinets ,and agreed by the direction of the senior UK representives and of course with MEP agreement. However the EP was less important then than now,post Lisbon,so more authority resided with the home country..in this case the UK.
 

Danidl

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BTW, Danish election result last week saw the Social Democrats won 91 of the 179 seats in parliament.
Their leader, Mette Frederiksen, age 41, found popularity on immigration.
Her view includes confiscating assets of immigrants to pay for their support and welfare.
I see no difficulty in expecting those with assets to pay..
 

Danidl

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Boris will get in and call a 'snap' election and win massively.

Now that would be interesting.
It may be very interesting, but does not affect the wider picture. Nero fiddling while Rome burns etc...
The UK was granted ,at its request a third extension until November 1.,in order to get its house in order. Nothing has been done.
 

flecc

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Well that would be an interesting court case....How much do the EU owe us for the infrastructure we have paid towards.
They don't owe us anything, our routine payments into the EU budget were not subject to hypothecation.

Payments for specific purposes were by legal agreement and we are letting them down by withdrawing unexpectedly. Hence a large part of that £39 billion we are being charged. £11 billion of it is an unavoidable legal liability, and default on that would have very serious international consequences for us.
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flecc

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Their leader, Mette Frederiksen, age 41, found popularity on immigration.
Her view includes confiscating assets of immigrants to pay for their support and welfare.
They don't generally have much in the way of assets, but perhaps she's thinking of kidneys and blood?

Good dollar earners.
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Woosh

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wait a week then check the poll again.
BJ's brexit plan is nigh impossible.
He's already backpedalled on increasing the 40% tax threshold.
Although I agree that the threshold is too low for people who live and work in London, but increasing the threshold to £80 is rubbish. Better to introduce a 30% band between £50k and £80k.
 

Fingers

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They don't us anything, our routine payments into the EU budget were not subject to hypothecation.

Payments for specific purposes were by legal agreement and we are letting them down by withdrawing unexpectedly. Hence a large part of that £39 billion we are being charged. £11 billion of it is an unavoidable legal liability, and default on that would have very serious international consequences for us.
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Lol at ‘letting them down’

We will stay in and continue to fund your project that we will never be part of because we don’t want to let you down.

This is real life snow flecc not a birthday party you want to leave but are too embarrassed to exit early.
 

Fingers

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This is where we are under the Tories


Schools begging children in need for money to fund staff and thousands of others crowdfunding to get stuff like paper and glue.

Yet all we get is stuffed shirts talking about doing cocaine and heroin.

If only we had an opposition these idiots would be destroyed.
 

flecc

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BJ's brexit plan is nigh impossible.
He's already backpedalled on increasing the 40% tax threshold.
This is the trouble with Johnson, he's prone to come up with crackpot schemes as his time as London Mayor showed.

The danger is his cussed refusal to change his mind, as he showed by forging ahead with his daft new routemaster buses idea against all expert advice. They've proved hopelessly expensive and very unreliable, so we after receiving one hundred we tried cancelling them. Only to find the contract he signed guaranteed we bought 1000, so we are forced to buy 900 more which we neither want nor need.

The UK can't afford him, there's no shortage of clowns far cheaper to hire.
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Danidl

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They don't generally have much in the way of assets, but perhaps she's thinking of kidneys and blood?

Good dollar earners.
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.. You mean those emails I have been getting about millions of dollars and packages of Diamonds from Nigerian warlords are not true?... That puts a dent in my retirement planning
 
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