Brexit, for once some facts.

[Fingers]

I believe what you are thinking of is the discontinuation of the open platform use.

I'm not disputing that, nor is TfL , and that's why I didn't include it in the cost per bus. But it did cost that much at the outset and that cost from then adds to the total costs of this failed venture.

And of course the initial platform use limitation and later discontinuation made the whole venture pointless since it was the open platform that Johnson extolled, against all knowledgable advice.
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I can assure you the platform is used every single day. It's a very useful design that helps to stop overcrowding at bus stops.

To have 3 exits and entryways on a bus is unique to London route masters and helps greatly.

But of course that is a positive aspect that you are naturally blind to due to your everything is bad outlook.

 

[flecc]

I can assure you the platform is used every single day. It's a very useful design that helps to stop overcrowding at bus stops.

On some routes I know, but it's proved not suitable for London wide use, as Johnson was advised before the order was placed.

The design has been cancelled since there are so many better ways. Fully electric buses like the BYD-Dennis are better for dealing with the high pollution of the central area and there are much better and cheaper options than the new routemaster for the longer routes covering the wider London expanse.

But of course that is a positive aspect that you are naturally blind to due to your everything is bad outlook.

I only have a bad outlook for bad things, and the new routemaster is one such thing. As is Boris Johnson, proven by events.
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[Fingers]

On some routes I know, but it's proved not suitable for London wide use, as Johnson was advised before the order was placed.

The design has been cancelled since there are so many better ways. Fully electric buses like the BYD-Dennis are better for dealing with the high pollution of the central area and there are much better and cheaper options than the new routemaster for the longer routes covering the wider London expanse.



I only have a bad outlook for bad things, and the new routemaster is one such thing.
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They are changing the design?

This is news to me. Do you have a link for that?

 

[flecc]

They are changing the design?

This is news to me. Do you have a link for that?

Ye gods, do I have to spell everything out. The designs for London buses change all the time. The new routemaster is being discontinued with no further orders to be placed, new designs of bus being adopted in its place, like the BYD-Dennis buses I've already mentioned.

The last of the 1,000 New Routemaster buses was delivered to London United in December 2017.
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[OxygenJames]

It was very good, that's his great strength. Unfortunately he cannot deliver, just as the Brexit promises he made could never be delivered, such as:

A good deal is easy to get.

We'll get £350 millions a week back from EU payments.

Trade deals are easy.

The EU will give in to us.

His new manifesto was full of the same hopelessly unfounded optimism in things that won't happen, but cleverly presented.

That's not being gloomy, simply being realistic.

And being right, as I was about Johnson's Brexit promises at the time.
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You're taking such a gloomy view Flecc! Cheer up! He could be just the tonic this country needs!

(James ducking for cover and leaving stage left).

Look - he's a natural optimist - which is why he sometimes makes such an ass of himself. Optimists are a PR man's nightmare.

But yes.

I know.

Your reservations go much deeper.

But - you don't have a vote - and I do! Ha!

 

[OxygenJames]

On the other hand.......

 

[flecc]

Look - he's a natural optimist - which is why he sometimes makes such an ass of himself. Optimists are a PR man's nightmare.

No need to duck James, I fully agree with the above.

I'm not being unnecessarily gloomy, I just know Johnson gets an unacceptably high proportion of his optimistic decisons wrong. He got close to 100% in London, as shown by the need to reverse his decisions since.
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[flecc]

On the other hand.......

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In fairness the cycle Superhighway project was Ken Livingstone's, though he didnt get to implement it. I'd need to know which one Iain is speaking of to comment, but obviously they tend to be rather empty outside of commuting hours.
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[Fingers]

Ye gods, do I have to spell everything out. The designs for London buses change all the time. The new routemaster is being discontinued with no further orders to be placed, new designs of bus being adopted in its place, like the BYD-Dennis buses I've already mentioned.

The last of the 1,000 New Routemaster buses was delivered to London United in December 2017.
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So they haven’t changed the design.

I thought not.

You are talking about something completely different.

Please try and be a bit clearer.

 

[flecc]

So they haven’t changed the design.

Actually they have. The manufacturers Wrightbus, in response to the widespread criticism of the new routemaster, replaced it with the Wrightbus SRM. Using a better Volvo parallel drive hybrid chassis, it has the front half of the new routemaster body but losing the rear platform and staircase which were always ill advised.

So a major design change. Wrightbus intend it to have wider appeal outside London.
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[daveboy]

We have an Electric double decker bus on test at the moment near me. It drives between 2 roundabouts about 3 miles apart from early morning till late at night. They are made in Sherburn in elmet about 8 miles from me.The company is called Optare.

www.optare.com/

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Telegraph
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Tory leadership raceBoris warns MPs they face 'mortal retribution' over Brexit as Labour fails in Commons bid to block no-deal

So now we know

What happened to it having been blocked already?
And for once Boris is right
Mp's will be in that situation after a no deal Brexit

 

[Zlatan]

In the Telegraph
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Tory leadership raceBoris warns MPs they face 'mortal retribution' over Brexit as Labour fails in Commons bid to block no-deal

So now we know

What happened to it having been blocked already?
And for once Boris is right
Mp's will be in that situation after a no deal Brexit

Putting it in words Remainers will find understandable... Us banning no deal is like Turkeys banning christmas..
We can not unilaterally ban any outcome. We could ban any deal we dont like. US banning no deal has been futile all along apart from destroying our bargaining position.

 

[oldgroaner]

No. Again, your blind hatred to all things UK and love for the EU skews your perspective. The tech was largely ours. The system has been costed and built. We are the net losers. The EU has to pay for the upkeep of course but that is like saying your washing machine is a burden because you have to pay for electricity to run it.

You are being ridiculous.

Blind hatred? for goodness sake grow up!

 

[Zlatan]

Boris Johnson 'would win a 140-SEAT majority at a general election'

Mr Johnson is the only person among the ten Conservative leadership candidates to be able to thrash Jeremy Corbyn and kill off Nigel Farage's Brexit Party, a survey of 2,000 voters says.

mol.im

Interesting poll. If only we had an opposition or even a Labour party.

 

[oldgroaner]

Putting it in words Remainers will find understandable... Us banning no deal is like Turkeys banning christmas..
We can not unilaterally ban any outcome. We could ban any deal we dont like.Banning no deal has been futile all along.

Why? what happened to the fact that a deal was the main promise made to the public by the leave campaign?
"Easiest thing in the World!"
Do you imagine for one moment if the electorate had been told by the leave campaign that they would be in the situation we are now in , all promises will be dropped, that even a tiny fraction of those who voted to leave would have bothered to vote at all?

What would have been the point? had they said this "Vote leave and it will take three years, there will be chaos in parliament, forget better times and most of the motor industry will disappear, who would have been mug enough to vote for any of that?"

When leaving without a deal is the equivalent of looking for a gas leak with a lighted match, and the EU will say "Negotiations are over" if you play that card?
Are leavers like you unable to see that threatening to bleed all over the opposition if they hit you again, is no threat at all?
It just makes us look even more stupid than we have achieved already

Worse, the backlash when the Public realise the cost to them with all the lies shorn away is something to fear
Watch Boris back off when he realises he will be held responsible when things go wrong, strange how many of the leadership contenders have suddenly had twinges of conscience and admitted earlier mistakes to put them out of the running for the top job
They are wiser than I took them for

The Public will not be happy, not happy at all

 

[oldgroaner]

You're taking such a gloomy view Flecc! Cheer up! He could be just the tonic this country needs!

(James ducking for cover and leaving stage left).

Look - he's a natural optimist - which is why he sometimes makes such an ass of himself. Optimists are a PR man's nightmare.

But yes.

I know.

Your reservations go much deeper.

But - you don't have a vote - and I do! Ha!

You poor devil! fancy being in a situation where you can choose between the worst liar, junkie, turncoat and all round villain to let them loose to harm your country!
What a sad situation to be in.
Abstain, then your conscience will be clear at least.
Unless of course there is a box that says
"None of the Above" or "Larry the Cat"

 

[flecc]

We have an Electric double decker bus on test at the moment near me. It drives between 2 roundabouts about 3 miles apart from early morning till late at night. They are made in Sherburn in elmet about 8 miles from me.The company is called Optare.

www.optare.com/

Our London electric single and double deckers are from Optare too, and on much longer routes. We have about 200 single deckers and four double deckers, but 68 more double deckers on order now. But they are largely Chinese at source, basically BYD buses with bodies designed for Britain by the Alexander Dennis company who are widely experenced in fire engine designs. Hopefully the fire engine connection to battery buses isn't prophetic!

The Chinese are the world leaders in electric vehicles, the city of Shenghen alone has over 16,000 BYD e-buses on the road and 30 other chinese cities aim to have 100% of electric buses by the end of 2020. This is to help with their terrible air pollution situation.
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[Woosh]

And for once Boris is right

No deal brexit won't pass the HoC at the moment. BJ knows that.
The motion that was defeated today is meant to stop parliament to be suspended in the week running up to 31st October.
If BJ suspends parliament in the week running up to 31st October, parliament will freeze his government legislative programs, nothing will be enacted, not even the basic brexit legislation.
People tend to forget that parliament will have to enact brexit so that our government can operate outside the EU.
All that BJ would have achieved is to gift JC with an early GE.

 

[flecc]

No deal brexit won't pass the HoC at the moment. BJ knows that.

Reading between the lines I think Johnson intends to cop out by aiming for what is in truth an EFTA type deal, something like Norway and what we could have had two years ago.

Thus letting down all the hard brexiters who want to fully detach from the EU, instead keeping them almost fully in the EU but with no influence.

The question will be how long it takes them to realise that?
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