Rather appropriate that not one of them managed to rate as half way acceptable
Brexit, for once some facts.
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It was a stupid exercise anyway, asking the general public. Obviously those who weren't Tory would rate low. The vote will be of Tory party members where the ratings will be very much higher.Rather appropriate that not one of them managed to rate as half way acceptable
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Pesumably the pollsters wanted a public opinion poll that highlighted the popularity of the Tory party at the same time?
That is what I call a high risk strategy... So who will call Mr Johnson the senna pod of British politics?.
And in other news.. There is a dispute between Scotland and the EU regarding access to a small rock 200 miles into the Atlantic. This flared up ,out of the blue (and white ) last week.
This article from the Irish Times ...
The sudden outbreak of tension between the Scottish government and Ireland over fishing rights around Rockall is probably just a hint of the kind of difficulties that will inevitably arise if the United Kingdom as a whole leaves the EU without a deal. Fishing rights are a difficult issue at the best of times, as evidenced by the Irish Navy’s arrest of vessels from the North in Carlingford Lough a few months ago, but the sabre rattling by the Scottish authorities is a worrying reminder of how relations can sour very quickly over relatively minor disputes over sovereignty.
One of the welcome signs of improved neighbourly relations between Ireland the UK over the past two decades has been an end to rows over issues such as British army helicopters carrying out surveillance on the wrong side of the Border or minor incursions by military personnel. Such incidents once soured relations and provided propaganda material for those committed to the use of violence in pursuit of their objectives.
The Belfast Agreement and the open Border between the two parts of Ireland transformed the situation and enabled the two countries to develop a warm and close relationship. Brexit has already begun to undermine this positivity and will inevitably change the nature of the relationship once again. And as the Rockall dispute shows, trouble can flare in the most unlikely fashion.
In emphasising the need for diplomacy, Tánaiste Simon Coveney sought to take the heat out of the confrontation and sensibly ruled out sending Irish Navy vessels to the area. Hopefully the authorities in Edinburgh will take a leaf from his book and pull back from an unnecessary intensification involving the arrest of an Irish vessel.
One of the surprising aspects of the Scottish approach is that it seems to fly in the face of the expressed desire of the country’s first minister Nicola Sturgeon to remain in the EU after Brexit. Irish fishermen are in compliance with EU law and fishing quotas, and the unilateral Scottish approach – and the nature of it – will hardly endear the country to the authorities in Brussels.
There is no denying that there has been a long-running international dispute over the status of Rockall. The UK claimed sovereignty back in 1955, but the Irish Government has never recognised that claim. Denmark and Iceland also have claims in the area. Despite their different positions, Britain and Ireland managed to find a way of putting them to one side when it came to the share-out of EU fishing quotas in the area.
It is strange, to put it mildly, that the SNP government whose central policy objective is independence for Scotland, is now forcefully asserting its interpretation of British sovereignty rights in relation to Rockall more strongly than the UK government has ever done. It is another demonstration of the capacity of Brexit to cause harm in the most unexpected of ways.
Rockall dispute: Government in contact with Scottish officials Mon, Jun 10, 2019
Scotland risks antagonising Brussels with Rockall row about 24 hours ago
Rockall: Scottish will board Irish boats if they refuse to leave - Minister Sun, Jun 9, 2019
Irish fishermen to defy Scotland’s ‘bombshell’ warning on Rockall Sat, Jun 8, 2019
Scotland warns Ireland it will force fishing boats to leave Rockall waters Fri, Jun 7,
This article from the Irish Times ...
The sudden outbreak of tension between the Scottish government and Ireland over fishing rights around Rockall is probably just a hint of the kind of difficulties that will inevitably arise if the United Kingdom as a whole leaves the EU without a deal. Fishing rights are a difficult issue at the best of times, as evidenced by the Irish Navy’s arrest of vessels from the North in Carlingford Lough a few months ago, but the sabre rattling by the Scottish authorities is a worrying reminder of how relations can sour very quickly over relatively minor disputes over sovereignty.
One of the welcome signs of improved neighbourly relations between Ireland the UK over the past two decades has been an end to rows over issues such as British army helicopters carrying out surveillance on the wrong side of the Border or minor incursions by military personnel. Such incidents once soured relations and provided propaganda material for those committed to the use of violence in pursuit of their objectives.
The Belfast Agreement and the open Border between the two parts of Ireland transformed the situation and enabled the two countries to develop a warm and close relationship. Brexit has already begun to undermine this positivity and will inevitably change the nature of the relationship once again. And as the Rockall dispute shows, trouble can flare in the most unlikely fashion.
In emphasising the need for diplomacy, Tánaiste Simon Coveney sought to take the heat out of the confrontation and sensibly ruled out sending Irish Navy vessels to the area. Hopefully the authorities in Edinburgh will take a leaf from his book and pull back from an unnecessary intensification involving the arrest of an Irish vessel.
One of the surprising aspects of the Scottish approach is that it seems to fly in the face of the expressed desire of the country’s first minister Nicola Sturgeon to remain in the EU after Brexit. Irish fishermen are in compliance with EU law and fishing quotas, and the unilateral Scottish approach – and the nature of it – will hardly endear the country to the authorities in Brussels.
There is no denying that there has been a long-running international dispute over the status of Rockall. The UK claimed sovereignty back in 1955, but the Irish Government has never recognised that claim. Denmark and Iceland also have claims in the area. Despite their different positions, Britain and Ireland managed to find a way of putting them to one side when it came to the share-out of EU fishing quotas in the area.
It is strange, to put it mildly, that the SNP government whose central policy objective is independence for Scotland, is now forcefully asserting its interpretation of British sovereignty rights in relation to Rockall more strongly than the UK government has ever done. It is another demonstration of the capacity of Brexit to cause harm in the most unexpected of ways.
Rockall dispute: Government in contact with Scottish officials Mon, Jun 10, 2019
Scotland risks antagonising Brussels with Rockall row about 24 hours ago
Rockall: Scottish will board Irish boats if they refuse to leave - Minister Sun, Jun 9, 2019
Irish fishermen to defy Scotland’s ‘bombshell’ warning on Rockall Sat, Jun 8, 2019
Scotland warns Ireland it will force fishing boats to leave Rockall waters Fri, Jun 7,
Senna is too mild after 3 years of constipation - BJ is going to roll up his sleeves, glove up and manually evacuate the bunged up bowels of Brexit... no matter how much the patient protesteth...
We are on a downward path in this respect.
It certainly didn't mean what you implied, which was ridiculous,
We make Japanese cars, German cars and French cars, but that doesn't imply we become in any way Japanese, German or French, or live like them.
Any more than we had to become like Russians to make Smirnoff vodka or Danish to make Carlsberg.
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Aston Martin has just decided to open a new plant in Wales for electric cars.
Jaguar and BMW are teaming up for electric cars to be built in this country.
Sorry if that doesn't fit your misery agenda.
I still don't know why you said Hungary make as many cars as we do.
I'm pleased that's happening because I don't have a misery agenda. I hope those gains counterbalance any losses.
But I think BMW and the Chinese owners of Jaguar reckon, like you, that we probably won't properly leave the EU.
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He's more of an enema than an enigma
Tell me about it. After my hip op now 3 weeks ago I had to self-inject blood-thinner for 10 days. It was an interesting experience seeing as like most people I don't like injections so the thought of having to give them myself was not exactly a nice one.
But I manned up in the end, stopped acting like fc uking pussy (ie stopped listening to the thoughts rattling around my mind about how terrible it would be) - and just got on with it.
Interesting experience though for sure.
It is actually easier when you DIY.. like extracting a splinter.
Less than a pound a year. Me thinks the man has a point.Just to remind everyone what a cracking bargain our 650 Mp's are, ignoring the expenses that they are so careful to keep to an absolute minimum, this efficient, dynamic and well loved by the public group never fail to impress with their statesmanship and they cost a pittance.
650 at a miserly £79, 568 a time, only £51,719,200 PA (excluding those at the top and forgetting pensions and expenses)
Aren't we lucky to have them?
Do you realise this means each one costs each and every one of us less than a single pound per year?
Where else could you get a decent laugh for that sort of money?
