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oldgroaner

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In the Telegraph this morning
"Michael Gove tells Cabinet ministers he is prepared to delay Brexit until late 2020"
Is he trying to shoot himself in both feet?
And Lord Nigel is trying to "Coin it in" with Public hate for both real parties
"Nigel Farage says 'vote Conservative, get Corbyn' as Brexit Party put on General Election footing

Well he will certainly get plenty of gullible people taking that bait!

And he has said "I will never ever use that word Manifesto, as in many peoples estimation that word Manifesto means lie."

What is he going to call his lies then? a "wish list"?
 
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Interesting poll result in the Express
"Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party takes the LEAD in general election poll for the FIRST time

There appear to be huge differences in some of the polls!
The latest You Gov poll had the lib dems on 22% this Opinium poll has them at 16%, yet credits them with a 5% gain.


For the record the Opinium poll for the Eu Election was very wide of the mark

They had the BXP down for 38% and they actually achieved 31.6%
the lib Dems down for 15% and they achieved 20.3%
But from the point of view of the Right Wing Press they are saying what the press wants to hear.

To get a more complete view perhaps is this chart from, Electoral Calculus


Which paints a very different picture indeed!
They also think No Deal exit most likely


The big surprise there is the remarkable figure for Article 50 to be revoked rather than calling for another referendum.
How very strange, surely that is an error?
 
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The BXP are infiltrating the Conservatives as a fifth column
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-party-conservatives-join-tories-leadership-contest-nigel-farage-a8940011.html
Brexit Party supporters joining Conservatives to vote for anti-EU leadership candidates, analysis reveals

Exclusive: Dozens of Brexit Party supporters boast of joining Tory party to help elect a Brexiteer leader

Brexit Party supporters are flocking to join the Conservative Party to help elect the next prime minister, new analysis has revealed
A study of social media posts found dozens of supporters of Nigel Farage’s party boasting that they had joined the Conservatives to support Eurosceptic leadership candidates.

They include people who had previously been reported to the Conservative Party for alleged Islamophobia, including one who endorsed the idea of “a total ban on Muslim immigration” and another who shared a joke about Muslims being wiped out in America.

We are living through a revival of Fascism 1930's style
You want proof? here it is
"Last year, Leave.EU chair and former Ukip donor Arron Banks said he wanted to use his group’s 90,000 members to “recruit” 50,000 new members to the Conservatives to “make a real difference ... and help install a true Brexiteer such as Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees-Mogg to the top job”.

Note the term His Group...his money his BOUGHT influence
Democracy it seems can be bought in this country, and with what nation's Money?
 
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oldgroaner said:
And he has said "I will never ever use that word Manifesto, as in many peoples estimation that word Manifesto means lie."
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Amazing! Uses the word he is never going to use TWICE in the sentence that says he isn't going to use it.

OK - we can probably all understand the intended message but in terms of logic and language... ???
 
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Perhaps Danidl could pontificate a bit more and tell us which way around he sees EU/Ireland relationship.
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Perhaps he would.
The relationship of Ireland with its PARTNERs in the EU is one of Mutual cooperation. The different countries engage in a range of activities ,by agreement and each country gains from the interaction. By pooling of resources, expensive regulatory apparatus can be shared. This includes Eurocodes, building, agricultural,fishing standards etc.
Symbiotic ,in the more usual sense of mutual interaction in complementary activities expresses that.
Now Ireland is not a parasite on Europe. Our inclusion almost Doubled the area of the EEC overnight. Major consequences in fishing and mineral exploitation.
To develop the point about symbiosis a little further,for the limited.. I am reminded of a demonstation which I saw in your science museum . It showed two containers growing wheat. One had earthworms added,the other was sterile soil. The burrowing of the worms opened the soil and the wheat was much stronger. The bacteria on these roots then assisted the worms. ....nuff said?.
 
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oldgroaner said:
The big surprise there is the remarkable figure for Article 50 to be revoked rather than calling for another referendum.
How very strange, surely that is an error?
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no.
Those calling for second referendum sit on the fence, are coloured grey and labelled as undecided in the brexit charts. They are closet remainers, wishing brexit to somehow just go away.
 
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Brexit can create jobs

But there are many cheaper and more permanent ways....
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DFDS, Brittany Ferries, Eurotunnel and, possibly, P&O might all be in the position of investing their £33 million windfalls - but where will any jobs be created? Not here, I suspect.
 
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Kenneth Clarke and David Gauke have declared support for Rory Stewart.
 
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Kenneth Clarke and David Gauke have declared support for Rory Stewart.
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A man with all the presence of a discarded take away meal outside a pub the morning after a Stag Night.
What a sad sack He's like BH Calcutta (Failed) from the Perishers cartoon strip in the Daily Mirror or a Pound Shop replica of Clement Freud
And Gove is even worse
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1134908495478841344

And acting like Trump he says the Electoral Commission Exonerated them????
 
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A man with all the presence of a discarded take away meal outside a pub the morning after a Stag Night.
What a sad sack He's like BH Calcutta (Failed) from the Perishers cartoon strip in the Daily Mirror or a Pound Shop replica of Clement Freud
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Kenneth Clarke has more sense than most of his fellow MPs.

Presence is what the likes of Boris Johnson have.

I know which the country needs most.
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Kenneth Clarke has more sense than most of his fellow MPs.

Presence is what the likes of Boris Johnson have.

I know which the country needs most.
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So do I and the words are "None of the Above"
Hammond would be a more useful choice
 
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