Brexit, for once some facts.

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This is what Brexit Voters in the main didn't vote for, but it describes what they were hoodwinked to achieve.
http://www.brexitshambles.com/300-hedge-fund-companies-were-represented-by-vote-leave-during-the-referendum-campaign-and-they-formed-the-biggest-demographic-of-their-membership/

The mugging of all time barely covers it, and these parasites are still in business.
There is still lots of potential for them to continue fleecing the public.

"Never give a sucker an even break" is the leave motto
Who are you going to vote for to succeed Barnier and....sorry. Who do you want imposed on you to succeed Barnier and Juncker?

Do you even know who will be crowned at the top of what is clearly the most important thing in your life?
 

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Your knowledge of the biological sciences rivals that of your command of economics. The appropriate term for the Irish relationship with the EU is symbiosis.

Symbiotic means equal. As in the EU couldn’t live without you and you couldn’t live without them.

I guess half of that statement is true. But it’s not symbiotic. It’s like you and your Stockholm Syndrome. The person in charge of you doesn’t care for you half as much as you care for them.

I’m referring to England in this instance btw.
 
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I was thinking about the guy off Labour NEC who got suspended the other day. Someone said that the only way he could stay in the Labour parts is if the tape has been doctored. Now I don't think this has actually happened, but I think this is either possible to do now or if not will be very shortly.

It reminded me of an Arnold Schwarzenegger film, where a video was being shown of him in real time killing people. It wasn't real however it was being doctored. Now I would imagine we are a long way off being able to do that type of thing in real time, but how soon will it be before a video can be doctored and released later, and its impossible to tell it has been altered. If that happens then we are going to be in big trouble.

We are here now. No lie. The battle atm is not making that tech but making tech that discover that tech.
 
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I was thinking about the guy off Labour NEC who got suspended the other day. Someone said that the only way he could stay in the Labour parts is if the tape has been doctored. Now I don't think this has actually happened, but I think this is either possible to do now or if not will be very shortly.

It reminded me of an Arnold Schwarzenegger film, where a video was being shown of him in real time killing people. It wasn't real however it was being doctored. Now I would imagine we are a long way off being able to do that type of thing in real time, but how soon will it be before a video can be doctored and released later, and its impossible to tell it has been altered. If that happens then we are going to be in big trouble.
Like the one put out by Trump's allies doctored to make it look like the newsman had assaulted the White House intern?
Too late, its here
 
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Symbiotic means equal. As in the EU couldn’t live without you and you couldn’t live without them.

I guess half of that statement is true. But it’s not symbiotic. It’s like you and your Stockholm Syndrome. The person in charge of you doesn’t care for you half as much as you care for them.

I’m referring to England in this instance btw.
A classic case of "Inversion Syndrome" you have there talk about getting it as they say in Yorkshire "Arse about face"

We have abused membership of the EU right from day one, not the other way about and treated it as if we owned the place and had the right to lord it over the other members.

How disappointed and insulted Brexit voters have proved to be when we can't bully the other members to obey our demands.

Unfortunately our idea of democracy is that others have to accept they must do as we tell them.

 
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Where is VFR when we need a good conspiracy theory? It appears that the rates of crime and violence dropped throughout the west when we started using more unleaded petrol. Do you think the oil companies have started slipping it back into their fuel. No idea why they might do that but there has to be some nutter on YouTube with a theory on it.

If not I think I might go on there and start my own, could get VFR as one of my advocates, maybe start a political party. Think of a catchy name how about the Ledxit Party. Just one policy, take the Lead out of Unleaded petrol.
Led(by donkeys)xit Party ?
 
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Symbiotic means equal. As in the EU couldn’t live without you and you couldn’t live without them.

I guess half of that statement is true. But it’s not symbiotic. It’s like you and your Stockholm Syndrome. The person in charge of you doesn’t care for you half as much as you care for them.

I’m referring to England in this instance btw.
The two parties to a symbiotic relationship do not have to be equal. There simply has to be a gain to each of the parties.
 

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Who are you going to vote for to succeed Barnier and....sorry. Who do you want imposed on you to succeed Barnier and Juncker?

Do you even know who will be crowned at the top of what is clearly the most important thing in your life?
Yes I do , at the moment Barnier is likely to succeed to Head of the European Commision
unless Vestager pips him to the post. as to the replaceent in Barniers position that is unclear what form it will take,so really it's too early for that to be clear.

And who are you going to Vote for to be the next Tory leader?

Do you understand what I'm getting at?

As usual you are making a spurious comparison not based on reality.
The Politicians in the EU parliament are at least competent and committed

Look at the difference between Barnier and the Monty Python Flying Circus clowns squabbling to be the leader of the Dodo (Sorry Tory ) party.
 

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Look at the difference between Barnier and the Monty Python Flying Circus clowns squabbling to be the leader of the Dodo (Sorry Tory ) party.
Ageism.
 

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Yes I do , at the moment Barnier is likely to succeed to Head of the European Commision
unless Vestager pips him to the post. as to the replaceent in Barniers position that is unclear what form it will take,so really it's too early for that to be clear.

And who are you going to Vote for to be the next Tory leader?

Do you understand what I'm getting at?

As usual you are making a spurious comparison not based on reality.
The Politicians in the EU parliament are at least competent and committed

Look at the difference between Barnier and the Monty Python Flying Circus clowns squabbling to be the leader of the Dodo (Sorry Tory ) party.

It has to be a German this time and whilst Macron wants a Frenchman in one of the two positions he doesn't fancy Barnier.

So sorry to be the bringer of bad news but you won't be getting your wish.

How democratic!
 
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The competence of the tory party has always been questionable. In about a century of the "modern" today party - since 1922 - you might have expected them to have sensible rules about their own internal affairs. But no, they don't. I do wonder whether any review/change would favour one section over another?

The Conservatives are considering a review of their leadership contest rules after the 12th candidate entered the race to succeed Theresa May as prime minister.
 

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The competence of the tory party has always been questionable. In about a century of the "modern" today party - since 1922 - you might have expected them to have sensible rules about their own internal affairs. But no, they don't. I do wonder whether any review/change would favour one section over another?

The Conservatives are considering a review of their leadership contest rules after the 12th candidate entered the race to succeed Theresa May as prime minister.
Anyone stupid, arrogant, or whatever enough to stand for leadership should immediately be disqualified. If someone seriously believes they can sort it out, they are utterly deluded.
 
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Anyone stupid, arrogant, or whatever enough to stand for leadership should immediately be disqualified. If someone seriously believes they can sort it out, they are utterly deluded.

So just give up then?

Great attitude to have.
 
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So just give up then?

Great attitude to have.
Good plan just led the miserable excuse for a political party go out with a whimper rather than a bang.
They have created a completely unsolvable situation for themselves, and none of the blithering idiots is capable of sorting it out.
You might as well give the job to that funny little double of Danger Mouse's assist Penfold look alike
Or that organisationally challenged Grayling fella
Here you are


And this is by their FRIENDS! strewth!!
 
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It has to be a German this time and whilst Macron wants a Frenchman in one of the two positions he doesn't fancy Barnier.

So sorry to be the bringer of bad news but you won't be getting your wish.

How democratic!
Not sure what you are getting at with that message what are you actually crowing about?
You posed the question
"Do you even know who will be crowned at the top of what is clearly the most important thing in your life? "

I wrote this in response
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Yes I do , at the moment Barnier is likely to succeed to Head of the European Commision
unless Vestager pips him to the post. "

Either will suit me just fine , so your response is juvenile

"So sorry to be the bringer of bad news but you won't be getting your wish."

As usual you jump to a conclusion in the hope of scoring points, you really need to up your game.

And by the way Brexit is very far from the "Most important thing in my life" by a very long way.
 

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Not sure what you are getting at with that message what are you actually crowing about?
You posed the question
"Do you even know who will be crowned at the top of what is clearly the most important thing in your life? "

I wrote this in response
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Yes I do , at the moment Barnier is likely to succeed to Head of the European Commision
unless Vestager pips him to the post. "

Either will suit me just fine , so your response is juvenile

"So sorry to be the bringer of bad news but you won't be getting your wish."

As usual you jump to a conclusion in the hope of scoring points, you really need to up your game.

And by the way Brexit is very far from the "Most important thing in my life" by a very long way.

You are just happy at being imposed your leader.

Fair enough. I would be damn angry about it. Just as I am with what is happening with our future pm.

You love and trust the EU even more than I thought. I thought it was a sense of naivety but you are sofully committed to their projected it's almost cult like.
 
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You are just happy at being imposed your leader.

Fair enough. I would be damn angry about it. Just as I am with what is happening with our future pm.

You love and trust the EU even more than I thought. I thought it was a sense of naivety but you are sofully committed to their projected it's almost cult like.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? the method of leadership selection of parties and parliamentary executive bodies is the same both in the EU from Mps and Meps already selected from the public.
Why on Earth would you want to go through the whole process of a National Vote when none is needed?
Representative Government means that they have the choice of who leads each party from its membership and the EU is no different to what goes on here.

As to this nonsense
"You love and trust the EU even more than I thought. I thought it was a sense of naivety but you are sofully committed to their projected it's almost cult like.
No I'm not, I expect it to grow and change, but let's just look at your situation shall we

You love and trust Brexit even more than I thought.
Regardless of how obvious the whole project will be disastrous for all but the rich elite, unwillingness to accept this because you feel it reflects badly on your judgement makes you cling to it despite it's so obvious failure to continue to look good.

I thought it was a sense of naivety but you are so fully committed to their projected it's definitely cult like.
 
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