will that be before brexit or after
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Sounds like some utopian dream. People like to be in control. Self-driving cars are not about to take over. To think so is to ignore that simple human drive - to be in control. It runs deep in our psyche. Why do you think 'take back control' worked so well for the Leave campaign?
To think that you will be able to ban people from driving their own cars in London with a decade or so? No way. That is not going to happen.
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I think you underestimate the effect of self driving technology. It is the key to turn all the batteries in electric cars into reservoirs for solar and wind generated electricity.
Imagine the UK will go all out for self driving electric cars.
We would need only about 10 millions of them, each will drive about 50,000-70,000 miles a year instead of 40 millions cars, each driven 7,000 miles a year plus a large number of taxis, busses and trains.
The amount of energy is much less than the petrol we pour into our cars at the moment.
I want a self driving motorhome...go to sleep and wake up in the sunshine.
It's rather wasteful without very intimate contact, but apart from that I think the way our streets are with so much infrastructure already in them, like sewers, water, electricity and gas supplies and those repairs needed will be a big restriction.
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driverless cars solve that problem too.
If we replace all the cars in London by automated cars, instead of 2.5 million cars, we'll need only half a million.
I think not, and personal e-cars support the grid in the same way anyway, they already do in Denmark.
But I think you underestimate the public fury at losing their cars.
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Look at the rate of car ownership in London: fewer people want to own a car each year following the next, especially among younger Londoners.
The rate of decline was less than 0.5% a year before 2006, accelerating to 2% a year in 2011.
Uber has made the job easier: if you share an Uber car, you pay half price for your fare.
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TaaS, transportation as a service, that's what most self driving cars will be. Much cheaper than owning a car and if people are not allowed to drive on busy routes, automated cars will be faster too.
Yes, I imagine that if they say no to a particular day, the threat of never being asked to work again is ever present. I suppose it’s like being put on permanent stand-by, but without the stand-by pay or protections. How did we regress to a situation like that?
Yes, as I posted. But it's not Central London residents who provide all the traffic, most of it is in or comes from outer boroughs and outside London.
We will not see automated cars running round most of London in the near future, such as the ten years of this discussion about e-car adoption. With current technology they won't cope with all the current traffic including cyclists, and constantly changing road circumstances. In the USA they are already causing big problems for other traffic in a couple of city trials, and there's no way other traffic can be banned within that short time.
And that other traffic isn't all cars by far, much of it is vans, trucks, buses etc which cannot be removed.
I can see possible limited introductions of automation in the central areas, maybe with installed route guidance systems and restrictions of other traffic. But I doubt I will be encountering any driverless cars in my outer London borough within the next ten years, or any reduction in car ownership here within that period.
We don't seem able to even repair the potholes, many of ours would bring a Google car to a standstill, and I can't see any sensors successfully detecting all potholes and avoiding them.
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driverless cars can be directed toward a charging station when and where it suits the grid while if you own the car, your time and place are picked to suit you, not the grid.
driverless cars are real enough.
Billions are still being invested into this technology every year.
Though never having him darken (or is it lighten? depends on the studio) my TV ever again would be something to appreciate.
Multiple fantasies I'm afraid. People mostly want to travel by day, and that's when the most current is needed from the grid. So you can't have it both ways, the cars in use and suppying the grid at the same time. Nor could the people all travel by night, since that's when most of the charging is needed at times of least grid demand if we are not to greatly increase generation.
For similar time needed reasons 10 million automated cars won't replace 40 million private cars, all the buses and taxis and longer distance trains.
The people will still keep and use their private cars far into the future. Remember that even if we do ban i.c. car sales in 2030, they'll still be in use for at least 20 years thereafter, plus all the personal electric ones,
Realistically the ban will probably revert to the present UK one of 2040, meaning owner driven i.c cars running around to beyond 2050. It will take that 30 years to downscale the international oil industry to a much lower level, those companies and national exchequers will see to that.
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let's say your average driving need is 10 miles a day, that's 3kWH as energy consumption a day for getting around town, or 125W.
The national grid capacity is about 80GW. If we went all out to automated electric cars, that would put an extra load of 8.2GW.
That load is flexible, the car can even go for a couple of days without needing recharge.
Not as impossible as some people think.
if you follow that line, it explains why you can't see my point. Your e-car does not need recharging every day. Imagine you rent out your battery to your neighbours, buying electricity when it's cheap and sell it back to them in day time, you could make a couple of £ each day.
If you share a self driving car, each car can serve on average maybe 5-7 people, driving 50-70 miles a day. Your Leaf has an autonomy of about 150 miles, enough for a couple of days.
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