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Oh Dear I did it again, being polite...must watch that...
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Off topic but there was some talk a while back about electric cars and charing points...From my mate Tim:
Our Rulers Are Grossly Deluded About Electric Cars By 2030
Tim Worstall - Editor-in-Chief
We have a statement in The Times of a gross delusion. The idea that the country can or could be ready for the mass adoption of electric cars by 2030. It’s simply not going to happen, it can’t:
From a recent discussion of the issue elsewhere:
Add to that the massive infrastructure upgrade that’s going to be needed to have multiple 400+kW charging points, plus of course the need to more than double the capacity of the standard domestic supply in order to slowly charge vehicles at home… And the extra generation capacity needed, and the upgrade to the National Grid, etc etc etc…
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Also odd that they don’t seem to be in a huge rush to do anything practical about it, especially on the infrastructure side where a decade or more of planning time is hardly unheard of. Are we even on track to make enough electricity in 2040 without an electric car revolution, let alone with one, given the nuclear mess?
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Imagine the cabling required to be able to support a ‘refuelling’ station with 20 charging points all delivering 400kW simultaneously…
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Recharging car batteries will be such fun for those hundreds of thousands in cities who park on the street……. if you can’t get a car space outside your house, tough. No charge-up. If you can, the tinks and scallies will have the copper away in a heartbeat. No charge-up. If you have to run a good many metres of cable to reach your car, just lifting it would be a challenge, let alone affording it.
Plus the report on the BMW / Porsche system I saw the other day indicated that the cable is liquid-cooled but at 430kW I’m not surprised.
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Are these the people who expect to be able to charge their car from a 2A street lamp wired up with 80-year-old bell wire?
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Bored at work today… 450kVA in solar panel would work out to 36000sq ft or there abouts. 3340 sq mtrs for our non imperial folk
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Seriously, to run an all – or even approaching majority – electric car fleet we’ve got to rewire the entire country plus double or perhaps triple electricity generation. To think that we’re going to do that by 2030 is a gross delusion.
Oh, and to those who say that we can just spend money to make it happen. Yes, but that would be expensive – as the Stern Review itself says expensive ways of dealing with climate change aren’t worth doing.
Our Rulers Are Grossly Deluded About Electric Cars By 2030
Tim Worstall - Editor-in-Chief
We have a statement in The Times of a gross delusion. The idea that the country can or could be ready for the mass adoption of electric cars by 2030. It’s simply not going to happen, it can’t:
Not possible.
That we might have more charging points, fair enough. But the idea that we could be ready for the only new cars to be sold being electric in only 11 years time? That’s grossly delusional. And here’s our problem. That above isn’t from some fool performing the difficult task of outidioting Caroline Lucas. This is from:
It’s from one of our rulers, one of the people specifically and directly concerned with this particular issue. And here’s a modest suggestion – a place will not be well ruled if those attempting the task are in the grips of some phantasm, some will o’ the wisp delusion.
From a recent discussion of the issue elsewhere:
Add to that the massive infrastructure upgrade that’s going to be needed to have multiple 400+kW charging points, plus of course the need to more than double the capacity of the standard domestic supply in order to slowly charge vehicles at home… And the extra generation capacity needed, and the upgrade to the National Grid, etc etc etc…
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Also odd that they don’t seem to be in a huge rush to do anything practical about it, especially on the infrastructure side where a decade or more of planning time is hardly unheard of. Are we even on track to make enough electricity in 2040 without an electric car revolution, let alone with one, given the nuclear mess?
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Imagine the cabling required to be able to support a ‘refuelling’ station with 20 charging points all delivering 400kW simultaneously…
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Recharging car batteries will be such fun for those hundreds of thousands in cities who park on the street……. if you can’t get a car space outside your house, tough. No charge-up. If you can, the tinks and scallies will have the copper away in a heartbeat. No charge-up. If you have to run a good many metres of cable to reach your car, just lifting it would be a challenge, let alone affording it.
Plus the report on the BMW / Porsche system I saw the other day indicated that the cable is liquid-cooled but at 430kW I’m not surprised.
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Are these the people who expect to be able to charge their car from a 2A street lamp wired up with 80-year-old bell wire?
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Bored at work today… 450kVA in solar panel would work out to 36000sq ft or there abouts. 3340 sq mtrs for our non imperial folk
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Seriously, to run an all – or even approaching majority – electric car fleet we’ve got to rewire the entire country plus double or perhaps triple electricity generation. To think that we’re going to do that by 2030 is a gross delusion.
Oh, and to those who say that we can just spend money to make it happen. Yes, but that would be expensive – as the Stern Review itself says expensive ways of dealing with climate change aren’t worth doing.
if the government have got to organise it you may as well forget it. You only have to look at the record of previous governments and infrastructure projects running over budget not fit for purpose etc. As has been said it is a total fantasy. My view is that we will still be using the ice well into the middle of the century unless there is some miraculous discovery.
actually... it may be possible.
I talked to someone about this subject yesterday in a London park.
People living in London are of course looking forward to the day when car fumes won't be a problem and nobody is forced to ride a bike.
I was trying to sell him my idea of a secondary battery good for 50 mile for e-cars.
He told me to forget about it.
His view is simple: in less than a generation, only self driving/automated driven cars are allowed in London's streets. If you want to drive a car, go to a theme park. Young people won't have to learn to drive any more. People won't need to 'own' a car, the number of cars will drop very significantly.
All the cars know where and when to go for a recharge not to overload the grid.
The future is nearer than you think.
I talked to someone about this subject yesterday in a London park.
People living in London are of course looking forward to the day when car fumes won't be a problem and nobody is forced to ride a bike.
I was trying to sell him my idea of a secondary battery good for 50 mile for e-cars.
He told me to forget about it.
His view is simple: in less than a generation, only self driving/automated driven cars are allowed in London's streets. If you want to drive a car, go to a theme park. Young people won't have to learn to drive any more. People won't need to 'own' a car, the number of cars will drop very significantly.
All the cars know where and when to go for a recharge not to overload the grid.
The future is nearer than you think.
Farage latest claim:
He says he will stand to be an MP again and is ready to do a 'deal with the devil' to deliver Brexit!
How much chance of success would you rate his newest idea?
He says he will stand to be an MP again and is ready to do a 'deal with the devil' to deliver Brexit!
How much chance of success would you rate his newest idea?
Of course it's impossible, it's already proving impossible to even meet existing demand for e-cars with waiting lists everywhere. I got in quick with ordering the new Nissan Leaf, but had to wait six months and at the point I received mine German dealers were quoting one year. Large scale E-car and battery manufacture presents many new problems
But it's not necessary to attempt it anyway, since e-cars will not be able to replace so many present i.c. car uses within 10 years, chiefly with regard to range and towing.
However, there's some exaggeration in the quoted figures:
400+ kWh is the first, it's OTT. Where rapid charging is concerned we haven't been very successful in getting batteries to stand it and last an acceptable life. Already some rapid charge limitation is appearing to deal with that and increased battery sizes/ranges are reducing the need. Models arriving about now have 220 miles or more real world range and this will continue to increase. That will greatly reduce the incidences of rapid charging during journeys.
This is completely wrong. Common current fast chargers are mainly 3.6 kWh and 7.2 kWh and domestic supplies installed now are 22kWh. Some small properties like small flats have a 12 kWh supply. All can cope, even with forthcoming quite large charge rate increases, since e-cars are commonly charged overnight, owners naturally using the cars charging timers to take advantage of the low cost night rates. I mostly don't even use my 7.2 kWh fast charger, using the 13 amp point one instead. That gives the battery an easy time for long life, and since I don't empty the battery it still charges to full overnight. As it did last night for me with 167 miles available range indicated.
This is an ever bigger problem than cabling, refuelling stations will need a substation and a high voltage supply from the national grid via pylons etc. The space required for pylon cable run-ins to ground level and for the the oil cooled transformers etc just isn't available at existing sites. So either a whole new refuelling network will need to be planned or a new approach taken with scattered individual fast refuelling points with card payment.
Again exaggeration, the predominant overnight charging when demand is very low means we won't have to double or triple generation.
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I think the idea is to prioritise ultra low emission zone.
Cities like London would impose ultra low emission zone inside the circular road.
And to expect a parliament that can't even find it's figurative way out of an open door of a free diner like the EU and have jiggered up anything that even slightly resembles new technology is laughable,
You might as well give the job to Grayling.
Yes she is really slow in giving answers sometimes, I was wondering if she is suffering with a very serious illness, she certainly does not look very well.
A zero hours contract works well for me because I don’t need the money or the job. I enjoy the work and like the flexibility to choose when I work. I have no need to apply for leave, or a particular day off. I just say that I’m unavailable.
I realise that my situation is a minority situation, and for most, a zero hours contract is a very poor deal.
your situation is more like flexi-time.
most people on zero hour contracts cannot choose when to work. They are also immediately put under pressure if they say no.
I've given a disagree to the self driving automated cars which won't surprise you. It isn't going to happen on almost all of London's streets.
But I agree that the number of London cars will reduce, it already has been falling for a long while now, but that's been due to the big expansion in cycling and public transport. When Crossrail opens there will be another big drop in cars entering.
The future that's near is further increases in public transport and more restrictions on car use, such as the forthcoming expansion of the low emission zone to a far greater area. I can also see whole streets or even small areas banned to private cars, there's already a part time ban on i.c. vehicles delivering in one area, restricted to electric only. A larger charging zone or more charging zones are also possible, even likely since it's already being discussed.
All this is far cheaper than an automated car future, more profitable too and much more acceptable to the public.
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is there any mileage (no pun intended) in having charging circuits under the road instead of having fixed points. Obviously not the answer at the moment but if it is to become a reality some different thinking is necessary