Brexit, for once some facts.

OxygenJames

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Where did he seem to be pro staying in the EU? it didn't seem like that to me, he viewed Farage as Insurance.
"If we stay in the EU and theres a chance that we may" doesn't sound like enthusiasm, more resignation to me
OK. Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick there.
 

OxygenJames

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I like zero hours contracts , I’m on one at the moment. It means that I have FA loyalty to my employer, and my employer has FA loyalty towards me. It the most unambiguous and straightforward contract I’ve ever had. At last, something which formalises the situation which has existed between employer and employee for many years.

Seriously, I don’t think it would be any good for someone with a mortgage and family. But I suppose no one forced them to take on the financial burden of children, so I suppose you could argue it is a self inflicted situation to some extent.
Every single person who runs their own business effectively works on 'zero-hours' 'contracts'.

It's called making sure you do your marketing effectively and making sure you have a robust sales process and a solid product and all the other things you need to not rely on somebody else bailing you out when you take a sickie.

So that would include around 5.4m 'sole traders'.

We like it (those of is that run our own businesses and those of us who are sole traders) - because we're our own boss and don't have anybody telling us what to do every day. No manager. No 360 reviews. No HR department sticking their noses in. None of that.

Sure the price is making sure you get ahead of the game and save enough for a rainy day - good old-fashioned values a few of the snowflake generation could do with learning.
 

50Hertz

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Every single person who runs their own business effectively works on 'zero-hours' 'contracts'.

It's called making sure you do your marketing effectively and making sure you have a robust sales process and a solid product and all the other things you need to not rely on somebody else bailing you out when you take a sickie.

So that would include around 5.4m 'sole traders'.

We like it (those of is that run our own businesses and those of us who are sole traders) - because we're our own boss and don't have anybody telling us what to do every day. No manager. No 360 reviews. No HR department sticking their noses in. None of that.

Sure the price is making sure you get ahead of the game and save enough for a rainy day - good old-fashioned values a few of the snowflake generation could do with learning.
Your outlook is rather immature. If a person contributes towards the growth of a company and adds value to it, why is it so wrong to expect loyalty from the company in return during times of illness or family crisis?
 

flecc

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All is not what it's supposed to be in this thread. I don't know why you're wasting your time in it.
It's occasionally both interesting and informative on how much or how little some know on various subjects.

And having started the thread 2698 web pages ago, I like to keep an eye on how it's going.
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oldgroaner

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Like shooting fish in a barrel when it comes to that woman. Can you imagine her being the actual home secretary? It utterly beggars belief. And yet - this is what a number of people on this list will be voting for. And they say we're the stupid ones.
How is she any worse that the raving loony Conservative politicians? if you voted for them you are indeed the stupid ones.
Look at where their policies have got the country!
And you stick up for them? it beggars belief.
How could she be any worse? since when was there a good Conservative Home secretary?
This one? from a Mon 18 Jul 2016 article
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/what-does-theresa-mays-record-as-home-secretary-tell-us

The answer is she can't can she?
 
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oldgroaner

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Every single person who runs their own business effectively works on 'zero-hours' 'contracts'.

It's called making sure you do your marketing effectively and making sure you have a robust sales process and a solid product and all the other things you need to not rely on somebody else bailing you out when you take a sickie.

So that would include around 5.4m 'sole traders'.

We like it (those of is that run our own businesses and those of us who are sole traders) - because we're our own boss and don't have anybody telling us what to do every day. No manager. No 360 reviews. No HR department sticking their noses in. None of that.

Sure the price is making sure you get ahead of the game and save enough for a rainy day - good old-fashioned values a few of the snowflake generation could do with learning.
What a load of self congratulatory tripe and you are being deliberately misleading at the cost to you.
So you manage to combine all those functions of Marketing, sales and have a solid product?

In business you are tied hand and foot to the fate of the business in reality, it owns you body and soul 24/7 365 days a year

Unless you are playing at it as a hobby and you want to regularly go bankrupt like Trump and have to be bailed out by Daddy.

There are old and there are bold business men , but there aren't many old and bold ones.
Most end up having to work for someone else.
 

oldgroaner

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Your outlook is rather immature. If a person contributes towards the growth of a company and adds value to it, why is it so wrong to expect loyalty from the company in return during times of illness or family crisis?
Perhaps because these so jolly business owners are actually not so secure as they would like to appear and run a cheapskate outfit.
That's why they want out of the EU, it makes them have a duty of care they prefer to shirk.
 

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this line is typical of BJ:
They have to pick up every mental health patient from around the world who chooses to get on a plane and arrive in Heathrow – and there are a lot. They are meeting their targets with amazing energy and cheerfulness, and they are getting the job done.
 
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daveboy

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Why? what are you so afraid of?
What comes across about Tory supporters very clearly is their absolute dislike of having any social conscience for their work force where it could reduce profit.
I agree but find it very hard to defend Diane Abbott.....She is a liability but I'm not worried, If Labour get in power she wouldn't last long before she said something stupid and had to "go on leave" due to illness.
 

oldgroaner

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In the Express
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'What is WRONG with the BBC' Nigel Farage LOSES IT with Marr - 'Nothing MORE ridiculous'
NIGEL FARAGE lost his temper with Andrew Marr as the Brexit Party leader raged at the line of questioning from the BBC presenter claiming the interview was "ludicrous".

The liar refused to answer every question and wanted to use the interview for grandstanding, and the Express and Mail supported him.

It was obvious that he doesn't have any actual policies to expound on the basis he doesn't need any.
The entire purpose of the so called party he owns (since membership is not permitted and it is therefore a dictatorship) is to ride the protest vote of the leave voters who are throwing their rattles out of the pram.

The last thing he wants to do is make any more promises just in case he is expected to keep them.
After all there are huge numbers of disillusioned leave voters to con, and he has to look after his EU pension and expenses.

"That ain't working, that's the way to do it, money for nothing and the Chicks come free..."
 
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50Hertz

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Perhaps because these so jolly business owners are actually not so secure as they would like to appear and run a cheapskate outfit.
That's why they want out of the EU, it makes them have a duty of care they prefer to shirk.
The EU has many faults, but one of them is not a disregard for the employment rights of working people. As with the unions, the British media has been very successful in turning people against these bodies which protect their working conditions. People should ask themselves why this happens, it’s no accident.
 

50Hertz

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It is looking like May’s options are narrowing down to, referendum two, or more egg on face when the vote on her rubbish deal is defeated for a fourth time.

Does she now hold the title of the worst and most damaging Prime Minister the country has ever seen? I think she achieved both in the capacity of Home Secretary.

I really do think that she’s not well upstairs. I don’t think anyone could say that her actions and behaviour are those of a balanced and normal minded person.
 

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The dream that zero hours contracts work for both the employers and employees is just rubbish...If their is no work at the local carrot farm they get sent home, Can you imagine if all the workforce said "I'm not available for the next 2 weeks"(perfectly entitled to do this on zero hours contract)) and that 2 weeks just happens to be harvest time. A strong union would point this out and proper contracts would soon follow.
 

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