Brexit, for once some facts.

50Hertz

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Their manifesto says raise minimum wage for over 18s to living wage.(expected to be £10 an hour by 2020) and ban zero hours contracts.
I like zero hours contracts , I’m on one at the moment. It means that I have FA loyalty to my employer, and my employer has FA loyalty towards me. It the most unambiguous and straightforward contract I’ve ever had. At last, something which formalises the situation which has existed between employer and employee for many years.

Seriously, I don’t think it would be any good for someone with a mortgage and family. But I suppose no one forced them to take on the financial burden of children, so I suppose you could argue it is a self inflicted situation to some extent.
 

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How are we doing compared to the rest of the EU? Are we paying more, or are we paying less to people in these age groups?
France and Germany have rather higher minimum wages, £10.03 and £9.19 respectively.

Under 18s are excluded from the German minimum age regulations, so no idea what they get. I think most there will be in education or apprenticeships, given Germany's education and work policies.

In France those under 17 with fewer than six months of experience in professional work are paid at a level of 80% of the minimum wage until they are 17, then at 90% of the minimum wage until they are 18. So they are much closer to Corbyn's figure than ours get at present.

French apprentices receive anything from 25% to 78% of the minimum wage depending on their age and level of experience.

Austria, Denmark, Finland, Italy and Sweden do not operate official national minimums.
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I like zero hours contracts , I’m on one at the moment. It means that I have FA loyalty to my employer, and my employer has FA loyalty towards me. It the most unambiguous and straightforward contract I’ve ever had. At last, something which formalises the situation which has existed between employer and employee for many years.

Seriously, I don’t think it would be any good for someone with a mortgage and family. But I suppose no one forced them to take on the financial burden of children, so I suppose you could argue it is a self inflicted situation to some extent.
It's the same as standing at the pit/dockyard gates and waiting for a days work. Some of the workers local to me get texts on their phones the night before. It must be awful to have to live like that. I'm thinking you don't really need the money.
 
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50Hertz

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It's the same as standing at the pit/dockyard gates and waiting for a days work. Some of the workers local to me get texts on their phones the night before. It must be awful to have to live like that. I'm thinking you don' really need the money.
No I don’t, it’s a hobby job. You are right though, it’s a big step backwards towards the days of the tyrannical mill owners and disregards everything unions fought for.

What is sad is how easily unions are vilified, and how readily the very people who need a strong union turn against them. How can people be so stupid?
 
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50Hertz

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France and Germany have rather higher minimum wages, £10.03 and £9.19 respectively.

Under 18s are excluded from the German minimum age regulations, so no idea what they get. I think most there will be in education or apprenticeships, given Germany's education and work policies.

In France those under 17 with fewer than six months of experience in professional work are paid at a level of 80% of the minimum wage until they are 17, then at 90% of the minimum wage until they are 18. So they are much closer to Corbyn's figure than ours get at present.

French apprentices receive anything from 25% to 78% of the minimum wage depending on their age and level of experience.

Austria, Denmark, Finland, Italy and Sweden do not operate official national minimums.
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That sounds reasonable.

You just know where the money to fund this will come from though. Not those with over one thousand million pounds in the bank, not those with nothing in the bank. Yep, those in the middle on PAYE. Pi$$ easy targets to rinse the cash out of. Nothing changes.
 
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No I don’t, it’s a hobby job. You are right though, it’s a big step backwards towards the days of the tyrannical mill owners and disregards everything unions fought for.

What is sad is how easily unions are vilified, and how readily the very people who need a strong union turn against them. How can people be so stupid?
Would you like me to write you a treatise on that and bore you to death in the process?
Alternatively you could just take my word for it.

They are
 
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flecc

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You just know where the money to fund this will come from though. Not those with over one thousand million pounds in the bank, not those with nothing in the bank. Yep, those in the middle on PAYE.
But one can argue that is correct and as it should be, something not often appreciated. All this comes under national insurance, and with insurance, those who pay the premiums are the beneficiaries when they suffer misfortune. No-one else pays or benefits.

Those with great wealth will never fall into minimum wage categorisation, so can never benefit and shouldn't have to pay the premiums to insure them against something that can't happen. The same goes for those not employed, they can't get the minimum wage.
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50Hertz

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But one can argue that is correct and as it should be, something not often appreciated. All this comes under national insurance, and with insurance, those who pay the premiums are the beneficiaries when they suffer misfortune. No-one else pays or benefits.

Those with great wealth will never fall into minimum wage categorisation, so can never benefit and shouldn't have to pay the premiums to insure them against something that can't happen. The same goes for those not employed, they can't get the minimum wage.
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Will the increase in the minimum wage be funded from NI contributions or will it come from tax?
 

flecc

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Will the increase in the minimum wage be funded from NI contributions or will it come from tax?
The whole welfare state is a national insurance scheme set up by the first post WW2 government. No taxed money is hypothecated, it all goes into and comes out of a central pool.
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gray198

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France and Germany have rather higher minimum wages, £10.03 and £9.19 respectively.

Under 18s are excluded from the German minimum age regulations, so no idea what they get. I think most there will be in education or apprenticeships, given Germany's education and work policies.

In France those under 17 with fewer than six months of experience in professional work are paid at a level of 80% of the minimum wage until they are 17, then at 90% of the minimum wage until they are 18. So they are much closer to Corbyn's figure than ours get at present.

French apprentices receive anything from 25% to 78% of the minimum wage depending on their age and level of experience.

Austria, Denmark, Finland, Italy and Sweden do not operate official national minimums.
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you are a mine of information
 

flecc

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No activity since last Tuesday. You must be mistaken. Check back and you'll see I'm correct.
I checked after your previous post and that is indeed what's shown, but it seems something's wrong. It certainly isn't five days since I logged into find a block of 16 alerts, mostly from Rob.

He certainly isn't around today, maybe he's gone on holiday without arranging a stand-in to post Dislikes to Leavers posts.
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oldgroaner

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The whole welfare state is a national insurance scheme set up by the first post WW2 government. No taxed money is hypothecated, it all goes into and comes out of a central pool.
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The problem is most people don't believe that
 

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He certainly isn't around today, maybe he's gone on holiday without arranging a stand-in to post Dislikes to Leavers posts.
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Maybe. Or maybe it was something else.

All is not what it's supposed to be in this thread. I don't know why you're wasting your time in it.
 
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OxygenJames

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Maybe Diane abbott was working out their age.
Like shooting fish in a barrel when it comes to that woman. Can you imagine her being the actual home secretary? It utterly beggars belief. And yet - this is what a number of people on this list will be voting for. And they say we're the stupid ones.
 
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