Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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we should really separate the EP vote from the next GE, but for argument sake, if Farage manages to build a proper party with a program for government, he would have taken about half of the conservative voters and about 20% of the Labour voters.
There will then be a general alignment, the two main parties will be for remain and the brexit party will be for brexit.
Remain will form the next government and brexit will be delayed or cancelled. I doubt that Farage will have more than 10-15 MPs. As soon as he has a manifesto, most of Labour voters who may vote for him in the EP will go back voting for Labour.
Exactly, and that will be the equivalent of a second referendum achieving Remain.
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flecc

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You have to feel sorry for him. He's pining for his alta ego Robdon, who is suspiciously missing in action. Was it because someone started asking questions about her?
Robdon is male and is not missing, still present and very active yesterday.
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OG manages to find the one scrap of evidence (a fisherman who believes staying in the EU is a good idea - I mean - what are the chances) - to back up his already held opinion.
I don't have to try hard do I? Whereas you are looking for hens teeth
 
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Just why English speaking nations?

A jolly good way to limit your exports. Imagine if China (PRC) only exported to Chinese-speaking nations? Or Japan to Japanese-speaking nations? Even if not literally "only", just targetting them as principle or main potential export-buyers seems daft. We need to flog to everyone who will buy.

And what constitutes English speaking? Does it include India? Or most Arabian countries? Why, even the USA seems to live in perpetual expectation of becoming predominantly Spanish-speaking...

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Reads like harking back to Churchill's English Speaking People...
Just an admission of his and his supporters unashamed xenophobia at a fundamental level.

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Yup. Farage is teaching this shower an invaluable lesson. One which I doubt they will take though. The Torys could be at the position the Liberals were in 1922 - as in they completely died a death.

The new reality dawns.

Brexit was never just about the EU.
It was about protecting offshore assets and selling off the NHS and Mr toad has doomed his chances by revealing that
And by the way the expression that fits would be fascist dystopia, not new reality
 
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Darn there's just so many things you and I are going to have to agree to disagree about.
Funny thing is though..... I think OG your core values and my core values are actually pretty similar. Which means we can argue but under that there is a core level of respect. This is not always the case.
 
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I, ve always thought Faeage was just a ridiculous bit player whose influence over voting had been exaggerated by both sides with him encouraging those thoughts.
I, ve always been very worried about Corbyn and current labour getting into power, economic damage they wouuld cause would far out weigh anything Brexit could ever cause, and I, m still of that opinion. However, a worse spectre seems to be lifting its head and it is Farage. If anyone actually believes he could somehow be positive for country or heaven forbid actually get into no 10,well that is really frightening. E onomically Corbyn would be a disaster, Farage a whole magnitude worse.
What on earth is happening in our country when Farage could actually even stand for a responsible post, let alone achieve one.
 
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oldgroaner

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OG manages to find the one scrap of evidence (a fisherman who believes staying in the EU is a good idea - I mean - what are the chances) - to back up his already held opinion.
What a convenient memory you have at times, fisheremen were indeed in favour of Brexit, hence the shambolic protest Farage was in on the Thames.
 
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oldgroaner

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I, ve always thought Faeage was just a ridiculous bit player whose influence over voting had been exaggerated by both sides with him encouraging those thoughts.
I, ve always been very worried about Corbyn and current labour getting into power, economic damage they wouuld cause would far out weigh anything Brexit could ever cause, and I, m still of that opinion. However, a worse spectre seems to be lifting its head and it is Farage. If anyone actually believes he could somehow be positive for country or heaven forbid actually get into no 10,well that is really frightening. E onomically Corbyn would be a disaster, Farage a whole magnitude worse.
What on earth is happening in our country when Farage could actually even stand for a responsible post, let alone achieve one.
Absolutely agree, but don't worry, he will prove his own worst enemy with the electorate as usual.
The press are hyping him up like Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, like them it's a delusion, another project fear.
 
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Britain's Remain parties are tearing each other apart.

Simple question, how can things that are not "joined together" be tearing each other apart?
They have nothing in common so why is this
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  • The Liberal Democrats, Greens and Change UK fell out this week over plans to field a joint candidate in an upcoming by-election.
Considered news? why on earth should they restrict themselves in this way?
Naturally they want their own candidate to stand in a by-election
Only a leave biased media could try to make something of that, It's Fake news.
 
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Simple question, how can things that are not "joined together" be tearing each other apart?
They have nothing in common so why is this
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  • The Liberal Democrats, Greens and Change UK fell out this week over plans to field a joint candidate in an upcoming by-election.
Considered news? why on earth should they restrict themselves in this way?
Naturally they want their own candidate to stand in a by-election
Only a leave biased media could try to make something of that, It's Fake news.
Did you read the article?
They were having talks to field a joint candidate so as not to split the vote and these talks broke down...….How is that fake news ?
 

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