Brexit, for once some facts.

vfr400

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Dear oh dear. Losing really has warped your ability to think rationally. There was nothing 'fixed'. We wanted out. We won the argument. Take back control.

You ain't seen nothing yet.
You have to feel sorry for him. He's pining for his alta ego Robdon, who is suspiciously missing in action. Was it because someone started asking questions about her?
 
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Dear oh dear. Losing really has warped your ability to think rationally. There was nothing 'fixed'. We wanted out. We won the argument. Take back control.

You ain't seen nothing yet.
You don't seem troubled by the facts, do you? only leavers believe that the result wasn't fraudulent,
And you are joking abut "Take back control" as the EU has done just that, and our bunch floundered about ever since.
Good joke, is this what taking back control looks like?

And I agree
You ain't seen nothing yet.
 
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oldgroaner

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I remember Farage saying he was going to pull the Tory party apart limb by limb. He's actually doing it. And he's going to do it to the Labour party too. What a time to be alive.
In your dreams, you are living in a fictional situation.
Farage is going nowhere, he's just riding a protest vote, and no way will do well in parliamentary elections, as all he can field as candidates are proven failures already.
And I can't see the likes of Rees Mogg being happy to have a guttersnipe like Farage as his leader.

In a way I would like to see it happen,and Farage catch the crap when it all goes Belly up, and that's after he sets the record for being the worst attending and laziest politician ever elected to be an MP.
Watch him run away again.
 
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Farage is going nowhere, he's just riding a protest vote, and no way will do well in parliamentary elections, as all he can field as candidates are proven failures already.
And I can't see the likes of Rees Mogg being happy to have a guttersnipe like Farage as his leader.
by his track record as leader of UKIP, I can't see Farage leading the tories.
 

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If brexit goes ahead, to win a majority will prove a disaster for whatever party gains it as they will be held responsible for the shambles that follows
But don't imagine that lets the tories off the hook for the multiple failures of this government (right back to coalition).
 

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In your dreams, you are living in a fictional situation.
Farage is going nowhere, he's just riding a protest vote, and no way will do well in parliamentary elections, as all he can field as candidates are proven failures already.
And I can't see the likes of Rees Mogg being happy to have a guttersnipe like Farage as his leader.

In a way I would like to see it happen,and Farage catch the crap when it all goes Belly up, and that's after he sets the record for being the worst attending and laziest politician ever elected to be an MP.
Watch him run away again.
Watch and learn.
 

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Amusing comment from yesterday
Just on BBC... Fisherman from Grimsby suggesting that "if we stay in the EU, and there's every chance we may, then we want somebody in there who's going to represent our interests." @Nigel_Farage attended only 1 EU Fisheries Committee meetings out of 42.

Vote For Farage and get 1/42 worth of an MEP :rolleyes:
I mean to say how can anyone be stupid enough to trust this arch villain?
 
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OxygenJames

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One of my biggest fears with this utter betrayal by the governing classes was that this would breed a far-right reaction way beyond anything we have seen in the UK before.

Now that Farage has thrown his hat into the ring the possible sting of that has been drawn off. This is very good news.

Anybody who has followed the development of the Five Star political group in Italy will realise the profound changes we are about to see.
 

OxygenJames

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Amusing comment from yesterday
Just on BBC... Fisherman from Grimsby suggesting that "if we stay in the EU, and there's every chance we may, then we want somebody in there who's going to represent our interests." @Nigel_Farage attended only 1 EU Fisheries Committee meetings out of 42.

Vote For Farage and get 1/42 worth of an MEP :rolleyes:
I mean to say how can anyone be stupid enough to trust this arch villain?
OG manages to find the one scrap of evidence (a fisherman who believes staying in the EU is a good idea - I mean - what are the chances) - to back up his already held opinion.
 

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The problem is that a lot of the public blame the EU instead of the Tory party for those failures
kind of ironic, tory MPs blame the EU for their failures and lose votes to Farage who blames the EU for far less and concentrates instead solely on sovereignty.
as James said, tory MPs should watch and learn from Farage.
 

OxygenJames

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kind of ironic, tory MPs blame the EU for their failures and lose votes to Farage who blames the EU for far less and concentrates instead solely on sovereignty.
as James said, tory MPs should watch and learn from Farage.
Yup. Farage is teaching this shower an invaluable lesson. One which I doubt they will take though. The Torys could be at the position the Liberals were in 1922 - as in they completely died a death.

The new reality dawns.

Brexit was never just about the EU.
 

OxygenJames

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Just out from the ONS:

2018/19 was a record-breaking year for UK exports, as they reached £639.9 billion. Total exports grew at a rate of 3.0% and increased by £18.5 billion.
 

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NF on the Marr Show - slips in small print 'cost' of hard Brexit trading WTO he wants - basically economic distruption for an unspecified period till we become better than Norway in every which way and become a trading power house with other English speaking nations... Like a disruption when "moving house" he said - missing out 'chucking in job' in as well, and running away to join the circus to live in a caravan.
 

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NF on the Marr Show - slips in small print 'cost' of hard Brexit trading WTO he wants - basically economic distruption for an unspecified period till we become better than Norway in every which way and become a trading power house with other English speaking nations... Like a disruption when "moving house" he said - missing out 'chucking in job' in as well, and running away to join the circus to live in a caravan.
Just why English speaking nations?

A jolly good way to limit your exports. Imagine if China (PRC) only exported to Chinese-speaking nations? Or Japan to Japanese-speaking nations? Even if not literally "only", just targetting them as principle or main potential export-buyers seems daft. We need to flog to everyone who will buy.

And what constitutes English speaking? Does it include India? Or most Arabian countries? Why, even the USA seems to live in perpetual expectation of becoming predominantly Spanish-speaking...

Added:
Reads like harking back to Churchill's English Speaking People...
 
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