Brexit, for once some facts.

[Fingers]

Idiot.

You are a soft brained fool.

Luckily you are in a tiny brained minority of a minority.

I bet you have never finished a novel. Well not one unless it's called Charlie and the chocolate factory beacuse it was read to you.

I feel bad our education let you down. I feel bad calling you an idiot.

But here we are.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Idiot.

You are a soft brained fool.

Luckily you are in a tiny brained minority of a minority.

I bet you have never finished a novel. Well not one unless it's called Charlie and the chocolate factory beacuse it was read to you.

I feel bad our education let you down. I feel bad calling you an idiot.

But here we are.

I imagine this is some inner dialogue youre providing a glimpse of (cant see any linked post). You shouldnt be this hard on yourself. Granted,were not all vocational trolls, but failure, loss and inadequacy is an inevitable part of getting older.

 

[Woosh]

I guess you didn't look at the raw data for the north west, where TR is standing. He's independent, not Ukip.

I did, that's why I said he's unlikely to win a seat standing as an independent .
BTW, Vox won yesterday 24 seats out of 189,12.7% here in Spain where I am at the moment, despite taking extreme precautions to avoid any controversial noises.
He's received very large donations because of his potential, TR is no pussycat.

 

[oyster]

Is it constitutional to delay the queen's speech?

Assuming there is at least a question over its constitutionality, how can a decision to delay be challenged? And who can do so?

 

[oldgroaner]

This is the problem we have now. The lefties are now the hard right. The old hard right (in the UK) don't really exist. They're very small in number now, but the guys that the media label as far right are actually mostly normal people with practical and pragmatic views. They're labelled by the crooked media and press as far right because they have different opinions to them.

The crooked establishment is trying to shut down the free thinkers, who they label far right, but now that's starting to backfire on them because the new algorithms can't differentiate between right and left, so they're starting to find themselves shut down too. It's sort of funny, but on the other hand, it's quite alarming because now both sides are losing their free speech, and that affects all of us. Some would argue that this is actually part of the agenda of the establishment to shut down the truth being passed around on the internet, so that they can go back to programming us with they're biased and sponsored mainstream media, which worked pretty well before the internet.

The average guy in the street hasn't a clue what's going on, but they're now starting to smell that something's not right.

A good explanation about the censorship here.

Standard Astrologer type pronouncement intended to seem perceptive, but too vague to qualify for that title
And some pretty standard Fascist Dogma in the mixture at that.
Did you get it from the "Action Yob" campaign office?

In the immortal words of W.C.Fields.
"That was good and original my Boy.
But the parts that were good weren't original
And the parts that were original weren't good

And FYI the internet was used by membership of the Establishment to corrupt the referendum.

 

[oldgroaner]

I did, that's why I said he's unlikely to win a seat standing as an independent .
BTW, Vox won yesterday 24 seats out of 189,12.7% here in Spain where I am at the moment, despite taking extreme precautions to avoid any controversial noises.
He's received very large donations because of his potential, TR is no pussycat.

Worth every Rouble he is too!

 

[vfr400]

I did, that's why I said he's unlikely to win a seat standing as an independent .
BTW, Vox won yesterday 24 seats out of 189,12.7% here in Spain where I am at the moment, despite taking extreme precautions to avoid any controversial noises.
He's received very large donations because of his potential, TR is no pussycat.

You have to look at how the MEP voting system works. It's the number of people that vote for you that counts. A rough calculation shows that 9% of the total vote will get him his seat. That's about 200,000 votes. He still has nearly half a million subscribers on his Youtube channel, even though it's more or less completely hidden from the general viewers. Obviously, they're not all in the NW, but I bet a fair proportion are. He had a million Twitter followers. That's 2.5% of the adult population of the UK. Boris Johnson only has 500K. Jeremy Corbyn has 2 million. Theresa May 800K.

 

[vfr400]

Standard Astrologer type pronouncement intended to seem perceptive, but too vague to qualify for that title
And some pretty standard Fascist Dogma in the mixture at that.
Did you get it from the "Action Yob" campaign office?

In the immortal words of W.C.Fields.
"That was good and original my Boy.
But the parts that were good weren't original
And the parts that were original weren't good

And FYI the internet was used by membership of the Establishment to corrupt the referendum.

.. and the Russians interfered with the USA election to get Trump elected.

 

[Woosh]

You have to look at how the MEP voting system works. It's the number of people that vote for you that counts. A rough calculation shows that 9% of the total vote will get him his seat. That's about 200,000 votes. He still has nearly half a million subscribers on his Youtube channel, even though it's more or less completely hidden from the general viewers. Obviously, they're not all in the NW, but I bet a fair proportion are. He had a million Twitter followers. That's 2.5% of the adult population of the UK. Boris Johnson only has 500K. Jeremy Corbyn has 2 million. Theresa May 800K.

There are only 8 seats for the NW region.
TR may have more followers in the North West but the way the voting system works (d'Hondt formula, Q=V/(S+1)) does not do him any favour.
You are right to say that he needs about 9%, but they must come from the NW. He may have 1 million youtube followers but they are spread all over the world, he needs 10% of votes in his region, his followers outside the NW can retweet his diatribes as much as they like but not help him directly to win a seat.

 

[flecc]

Is it constitutional to delay the queen's speech?

Assuming there is at least a question over its constitutionality, how can a decision to delay be challenged? And who can do so?

I don't think this arises. The Queen's speech is for the opening of a new parliament. Since her permission has to be sought to form a new government and she has the authority to prorogue (close down) any parliament, effectively she can only delay herself.
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[RossG]

This is the problem we have now. The lefties are now the hard right. The old hard right (in the UK) don't really exist. They're very small in number now, but the guys that the media label as far right are actually mostly normal people with practical and pragmatic views. They're labelled by the crooked media and press as far right because they have different opinions to them.

The crooked establishment is trying to shut down the free thinkers, who they label far right, but now that's starting to backfire on them because the new algorithms can't differentiate between right and left, so they're starting to find themselves shut down too. It's sort of funny, but on the other hand, it's quite alarming because now both sides are losing their free speech, and that affects all of us. Some would argue that this is actually part of the agenda of the establishment to shut down the truth being passed around on the internet, so that they can go back to programming us with their biased and sponsored mainstream media, which worked pretty well before the internet.

The average guy in the street hasn't a clue what's going on, but they're now starting to smell that something's not right.

A good explanation about the censorship here.

I think the guy in the video should get out more instead of sitting behind a keyboard and telling us all to watch out.

 

[Zlatan]

I think the guy in the video should get out more instead of sitting behind a keyboard and telling us all to watch out.

Think we all should...

 

[oyster]

I don't think this arises. The Queen's speech is for the opening of a new parliament. Since her permission has to be sought to form a new government and she has the authority to prorogue (close down) any parliament, effectively she can only delay herself.
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The last QS was already pushing the limits - another two-year session after the one back in 2011 or thereabouts. In itself questionable. Now nearing the end of a second two-year session and they want to delay it further?

What is to stop her delaying until the fixed-term parliament act forces a GE? What is to stop every future PM having only one QS every five years?

I say there is a constitutional issue.

(Of course, I could easily be wrong.)

 

[flecc]

The last QS was already pushing the limits - another two-year session after the one back in 2011 or thereabouts. In itself questionable. Now nearing the end of a second two-year session and they want to delay it further?

What is to stop her delaying until the fixed-term parliament act forces a GE? What is to stop every future PM having only one QS every five years?

Of course we have no written constitution, only a vague understanding on what is normal. A Queen's Speech is only to give royal assent to a government's program, but with Brexit on hold there is no definite program until that is resolved.

The Brexit circumstance is exceptional, basically a potential change to our constitution, so I think the delay that Brexit is causing is both unavoidable and acceptable.

Really there was a change to our constitution when the fixed term parliament act was passed. The Queen gave her assent to that and it probably increased the possibility of fewer state openings of parliament and therefore fewer Queen's speechs.
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[vfr400]

 

[oyster]

Of course we have no written constitution, only a vague understanding on what is normal. A Queen's Speech is only to give royal assent to a government's program, but with Brexit on hold there is no definite program until that is resolved.

The Brexit circumstance is exceptional, basically a potential change to our constitution, so I think the delay that Brexit is causing is both unavoidable and acceptable.

Really there was a change to our constitution when the fixed term parliament act was passed. The Queen gave her assent to that and it probably increased the possibility of fewer state openings of parliament and therefore fewer Queen's speechs.
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A lot I agree with, or at least understand. But what is a government without a program? It is failing to govern. A government that can't govern has to go.

Yes, the brexit circumstance is exceptional. That is why a two-year parliamentary session was accepted. But to go beyond that is not acceptable. Now that brexit's exceptionality has been played out and they are looking to a further period without a QS, a future desire of a government not to have a QS every year has a lower bar. "Oh well, with brexit we had three sessions without a QS, we are only demanding two."

Yes, the fixed term parliament act was a constitutional change. And we are seeing a de facto change in this delaying the QS.

 

[flecc]

A government that can't govern has to go.

I think we're all agreed on this, and even worse, a House of Commons and two major parties that can't internally reach agreement either.

We really do need a major clear out.
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[OxygenJames]

.. and the Russians interfered with the USA election to get Trump elected.

Don't encourage him.

 

[OxygenJames]

Who are you kidding? don't you pay attention? we have been warning about the dangers of Fascism since the start of this thread.
One of the main reasons to remain in the EU is to fight it, now all we can do is watch.
Stupid move!

The worst 'fascists' these days are on the left not the right.

 

[oldgroaner]

The worst 'fascists' these days are on the left not the right.

That's interesting, I didn't know the Adam Smith institute were "lefties"
Well I never!