Brexit, for once some facts.

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But, remainers dont seem to actually want that. They appear to want ref2 and enjoy the confusion. If not, why not simply support Lib Dem?
there are 3 times more Labour voters who don't want brexit than Libdems, and JC's tactic is sound, why should they want to vote for the Libdems?
it should be the other way round, Libdems tactically voting for JC to help reducing the number of tory MPs.

What you don't want to see is the logic in JC's tactics.

The way to a second referendum is parliament cannot deliver brexit because it's too costly.
 

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there are 3 times more Labour voters who don't want brexit than Libdems, and JC's tactic is sound, why should they want to vote for the Libdems?
it should be the other way round, Libdems tactically voting for JC to help reducing the number of tory MPs.

What you don't want to see is the logic in JC's tactics.

The way to a second referendum is parliament cannot deliver brexit because it's too costly.
Labour needs to make itself absolutely, 100%, irrefutably remain in order to ensure that they receive the votes of their own supporters. As a potential Labour voter, I shall go wherever I need in order to indicate my remain view.
 

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I shall do exactly the same and I suspect there are millions of other people that think the same way.
And Will Hutton says:

Over the next 48 hours, a battle will take place that will settle the future of the Labour party – and arguably the country. Is Labour to be the party of Europe in uncompromising opposition to the rise of an ugly, hard-right, English nationalism? Or will it continue to temporise over Europe, so enabling the centre of political gravity to shift towards the English nationalist right?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/28/time-has-run-out-labour-must-seize-last-chance-to-take-stance-on-brexit
 
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oldgroaner

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The way things are going at the moment we are in danger of seeing both the Conservatives and Labour self destruct.

Now indeed is the legendary time
"When all good men and women should come to the aid of the party"
Whatever party that might be.
 
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Zlatan

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The way things are going at the moment we are in danger of seeing both the Conservatives and Labour self destruct.

Now indeed is the legendary time
"When all good men and women should come to the aid of the party"
Whatever party that might be.
Corbyn has had to have his own sub station fitted, not an electoral one, an electrical one. His fence is over loading national grid.He should be in circus way he can balance on it after all those shocks..
 
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And Will Hutton says:

Over the next 48 hours, a battle will take place that will settle the future of the Labour party – and arguably the country. Is Labour to be the party of Europe in uncompromising opposition to the rise of an ugly, hard-right, English nationalism? Or will it continue to temporise over Europe, so enabling the centre of political gravity to shift towards the English nationalist right?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/28/time-has-run-out-labour-must-seize-last-chance-to-take-stance-on-brexit

I think the ugly hard right is in Europe. Check out the result of the Spanish election tomorrow. Spain haven't had a far right party in their elections since the days of Franco. You guys keep saying Farage is hard right. He's not. Vox is though.

You guys are so blinkered
 
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oldgroaner

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I think the ugly hard right is in Europe. Check out the result of the Spanish election tomorrow. Spain haven't had a far right party in their elections since the days of Franco. You guys keep saying Farage is hard right. He's not. Vox is though.

You guys are so blinkered
Who are you kidding? don't you pay attention? we have been warning about the dangers of Fascism since the start of this thread.
One of the main reasons to remain in the EU is to fight it, now all we can do is watch.
Stupid move!
 

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I agree, the hard right is ugly wherever it appears.

I thought you'd spend longer in mourning after West Ham beat Spurs? Bad result, Harry out injured yet again.
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Players minds were already thinking about Tuesday. It's West ham's fa cup final. I don't begrudge them their day out.

Arsenal are the only ones who can stop us getting in the top 4 and they are a bunch of clowns.
 
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But the worst of them all are the Governments sponsored by the Press and Media.
This is the problem we have now. The lefties are now the hard right. The old hard right (in the UK) don't really exist. They're very small in number now, but the guys that the media label as far right are actually mostly normal people with practical and pragmatic views. They're labelled by the crooked media and press as far right because they have different opinions to them.

The crooked establishment is trying to shut down the free thinkers, who they label far right, but now that's starting to backfire on them because the new algorithms can't differentiate between right and left, so they're starting to find themselves shut down too. It's sort of funny, but on the other hand, it's quite alarming because now both sides are losing their free speech, and that affects all of us. Some would argue that this is actually part of the agenda of the establishment to shut down the truth being passed around on the internet, so that they can go back to programming us with their biased and sponsored mainstream media, which worked pretty well before the internet.

The average guy in the street hasn't a clue what's going on, but they're now starting to smell that something's not right.

A good explanation about the censorship here.
 
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You make a fair and reasonable point. Vfr.

I will forget little Tommies past and support him.
I will personally move to an area at my own cost so I can vote for him.

He isn't an idiot. Or a coward. Or a rabble rouser. I was wrong.

You have convinced me.

NF is the way to go!
 

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