Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Good point. If it is argued that a repeat of the referendum isn’t necessary, why is it we now face a fourth repeat of May’s stupid deal?

There has been a greater change in the nature and circumstances of Brexit than there been to May’s deal, so why can’t we have referendum (2) instead of May deal (4)?

An MP said that May’s first two attempts at getting her deal through equated to persuading someone to sell their house and move to a less desirable area. The amended version yesterday equated to agreeing to sell your house, but not being told where you are moving to. What is she going to try this time?
Appear in the History Books as a pound shop version of Joan of Arc?:rolleyes:
 
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oldgroaner

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Vote leave lying through their teeth you were found guilty and now shamelessly deny the judgement and pretend innocence.



You should be in jail for what you have done to this country, your deplorable actions have cost the public billions and split the nation.
Do you want to make it best of three appeals like May?
Be off with you!
 
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oldgroaner

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Amazing how insidious vote leave are,trying to get Dominic Grieve deselected

"The campaign against Grieve was led by the man who stood as the Ukip .
candidate for Beaconsfield in 2017. The Times reported that Jon Conway, a pantomime producer, had been recruited by the Conservatives after serving as a regional organiser for Vote Leave.

More of the same
Andy Wigmore You're next on our little list?

You're next on our little list? Oh Dear, Oh B*****y Dear!
 
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oyster

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Vote leave lying through their teeth you were found guilty and now shamelessly deny the judgement and pretend innocence.



You should be in jail for what you have done to this country, your deplorable actions have cost the public billions and split the nation.
Do you want to make it best of three appeals like May?
Be off with you!
Classic tactic - abandon but claim you would have won.
 

oyster

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Amazing how insidious vote leave are,trying to get Dominic Grieve deselected

"The campaign against Grieve was led by the man who stood as the Ukip .
candidate for Beaconsfield in 2017. The Times reported that Jon Conway, a pantomime producer, had been recruited by the Conservatives after serving as a regional organiser for Vote Leave.

More of the same
Andy Wigmore You're next on our little list?

You're next on our little list? Oh Dear, Oh B*****y Dear!
Aha! A good description of much of the tory party: a pantomime producer!
 
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oyster

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My candidate for replacing TM is Steve Baker. Nothing to do with him - just so we can say:

They hunted till darkness came on, but they found
Not a button, or feather, or mark,
By which they could tell that they stood on the ground
Where the Baker had met with the Snark.


In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away---
For the Snark brexitwas a Boojum, you see.
 
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oyster

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Lest we forget:

But in a world where expertise is devalued and fact assaulted, there are those of us who remember and can research. “Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden step – we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave”, is what the central leaflet of the official Vote Leave campaign pledged.
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit/
 

flecc

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This being a useful lesson for those who would have more government of course. Those who would nationalise rail, or determine the diet of the nation, use politics to usher in some golden age of social justice perhaps.
Strange that the best railways in the world are by far the nationalised ones and privately run ones have always included some of the worst.
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oyster

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Strange that the best railways in the world are by far the nationalised ones and privately run ones have always included some of the worst.
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The old, old private railways in the UK were in many ways disastrous. Hence, as Wiki says:

The Railways Act 1921 (c. 55),[1] also known as the Grouping Act, was an Act of Parliament enacted by the British government and intended to stem the losses being made by many of the country's 120 railway companies, move the railways away from internal competition and retain some of the benefits which the country had derived from a government-controlled railway during and after the Great War of 1914–1918. The provisions of the Act took effect from the start of 1923.

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They sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care;
They pursued it with forks and hope;
They threatened its life with a railway-share;
They charmed it with smiles and soap.
 
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Zlatan

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Brexit has proved a couple of truths.
For majority of time MPs are totally unneeded, redundant and neither productive or actually doing anything.
But when called upon to do something, even though with clear instructions, resources and systems in place they are totally incapable of achieving anything. Extremely well paid sophisticated unemployment for the lot of them. If I had my time again I, d go into politics. You can lie, mis represent the very people who got you there and pay your wages. You can be utterly incompetent.
How many other employers would tolerate this. None.
We should strive to reduce the number employed to govern us. Not build bigger more expensive gravy trains.
The lot of them have caused irreperable damage to our system of goverment.
Probably time to close Westminster, sack them all and tell Barnier, Tusk etal to get on with it. We could fund NHS with savings.
 
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Woosh

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It’s high time we realised that leaving the EU is impossible. Not least because we have too many cowards. I think our society would break down. I really do. Time to hand over the keys of HMS UK and ask them kindly if they could do everything for us. We have regressed into a country of toddlers capable only of tantrums.
leaving on WTO rules is not impossible. It's simply very costly if ill prepared, we'll wipe out out manufacturing and partly our agriculture, fish out the North Sea and English Channel. Cancel A50, have a new GE to confirm the mandate for leaving on WTO, prepare the country for Singapore style social provisions, have a framework of a deal with the EU on goods, services, fisheries and agriculture and an FTA with the USA ready to sign then leave on WTO.
 

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leaving on WTO rules is not impossible. It's simply very costly if ill prepared, we'll wipe out out manufacturing and partly our agriculture, fish out the North Sea and English Channel. Cancel A50, have a new GE to confirm the mandate for leaving on WTO, prepare the country for Singapore style social provisions, have a framework of a deal with the EU on goods, services, fisheries and agriculture and an FTA with the USA ready to sign then leave on WTO.

I honestly wouldn't trust these idiots to organise a day trip to Margate even if everyone on the trip lived in Margate.
 

flecc

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Cancel A50, have a new GE to confirm the mandate for leaving on WTO, prepare the country for Singapore style social provisions, have a framework of a deal with the EU on goods, services, fisheries and agriculture and an FTA with the USA ready to sign then leave on WTO.
Or similarly as I've posted previously. Since Germany has no trouble within the EU exporting worldwide and maintaining an economy in surplus, if we think we can exist outside, let's first do like Germany to prove it.

Then leave the EU if we prove it, or drop the idea if we can't.

Just leaving the EU without any idea whether we could succeed outside is and always has been madness.
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50Hertz

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Time to hand over the keys of HMS UK and ask them kindly if they could do everything for us. We have regressed into a country of toddlers capable only of tantrums.
Sadly that is very true. But honestly, have you seen anything in the last three years which gives you confidence that Nutjob May and the rest of our retards can run the country better than the EU. The EU are streets ahead of us in strategy, planning and negotiating. They have wiped the floor with us.

Our country is paralysed by incompetence in every area of public service. For decades we have been appointing people to top jobs in the basis of gender, sexual orientation, ethnic background, political outlook, in fact anything except talent. Over the last three years, we have been harvesting the rewards for our lunacy.

As you say, let’s just hand it all over to the EU. It can not possibly be worse than our present situation.
 

oldgroaner

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Brexit has proved a couple of truths.
For majority of time MPs are totally unneeded, redundant and neither productive or actually doing anything.
But when called upon to do something, even though with clear instructions, resources and systems in place they are totally incapable of achieving anything. Extremely well paid sophisticated unemployment for the lot of them. If I had my time again I, d go into politics. You can lie, mis represent the very people who got you there and pay your wages. You can be utterly incompetent.
How many other employers would tolerate this. None.
We should strive to reduce the number employed to govern us. Not build bigger more expensive gravy trains.
The lot of them have caused irreperable damage to our system of goverment.
Probably time to close Westminster, sack them all and tell Barnier, Tusk etal to get on with it. We could fund NHS with savings.
I am really enjoying this, Couldn't agree more if I tried!
 
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