Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

We seem to live in an era where ignorance has gone from being something we try to address by reading, discussing, whatever, to being a badge of honour that makes the wearers demand we take their (non-)arguments as gospel. Immediately. It is, dare I say, fashionable to be ignorant. Worse, to brag about that very ignorance.

Brexit protester says she 'didn't even know' we were part of the EU until we were 'leaving it' in bizarre rant
https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-news-latest-betrayal-march-london-tv-rant-8846711

 

[gray198]

The last GE resulted in:

Conservative Stephen Crabb 18,302 43.4 +3.0
Labour Philippa Thompson 17,988 42.6 +14.5
Plaid Cymru Owain Llŷr Williams 2,711 6.4 +0.2
Independent Chris Overton 1,209 2.9 -6.3
Liberal Democrat Bob Kilmister 1,106 2.6 +0.7
UKIP Susan Bale 850 2.0 -8.5
The New Society of Worth Rodney Maile 31 0.1 N/A

I really don't want a tory to win. I really don't want brexit. Assume same parties stand. Advice, please?

PC and end up with my vote having little to no influence?
Labour and see my vote used to endorse something other than remain?
Independent or Lib Dem with even less influence?
UKIP which obviously doesn't meet my remain criterion?
Or a party that is hard to fathom and got forgettably few votes?

why not cut the middleman out and just vote for Juncker or Barnier. We've just put them in charge anyway so what's the point in voting for anyone else. just think of the money we could save in salaries and expenses. Then we could bulldoze parliament and put 20000 homes on there. Happy days

 

[oyster]

why not cut the middleman out and just vote for Juncker or Barnier. We've just them in charge anyway so what's the point in voting for anyone else. just think of the money we could save in salaries and expenses. Then we could bulldoze parliament and put 20000 homes on there. Happy days

If they would stand in my constituency, then I would have to check their manifestos carefully.

But at present they are BOTH installed in their roles - not sure I'd want them having to fight against each other.

 

[50Hertz]

why not cut the middleman out and just vote for Juncker or Barnier. We've just put them in charge anyway so what's the point in voting for anyone else. just think of the money we could save in salaries and expenses. Then we could bulldoze parliament and put 20000 homes on there. Happy days

But who do we have capable of taking on the EU? Anyway, the EU is us, we are part of it, let’s not refer to the EU as a foreign entity, we make up some of what it is.

Also think of the EU as carers for our own U.K. mis-fit, retarded and special needs politicians.

 

[oyster]

Anyway, the EU is us, we are part of it, let’s not refer to the EU as a foreign entity, we make up some of what it is.

Absolutely true.

 

[gray198]

leaving on WTO rules is not impossible. It's simply very costly if ill prepared, we'll wipe out out manufacturing and partly our agriculture, fish out the North Sea and English Channel. Cancel A50, have a new GE to confirm the mandate for leaving on WTO, prepare the country for Singapore style social provisions, have a framework of a deal with the EU on goods, services, fisheries and agriculture and an FTA with the USA ready to sign then leave on WTO.

love your optimism

 

[gray198]

Indeed, and it's why I'd be happy for Jeremy Corbyn to head a Labour government for a five year term, since he intends to nationalise rail and water utilities, a thoroughly good thing. Returning the prison system to government control would also be better than the mess we have now, but he's made no mention of that.
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you are frightened of leaving the EU but feel confident that Corbyn could run the country. Words fail me. This is a man who wants us to be like Venezuela, and I am pretty sure if he got into power we soon would. We probably won't know how bad it is after Mcdonnell has ''reeducated'' all civil servants .

 

[gray198]

But who do we have capable of taking on the EU? Anyway, the EU is us, we are part of it, let’s not refer to the EU as a foreign entity, we make up some of what it is.

Also think of the EU as carers for our own U.K. mis-fit, retarded and special needs politicians.

exactly so why do we need politicians if they are just yes men for the EU

 

[oyster]

you are frightened of leaving the EU but feel confident that Corbyn could run the country. Words fail me. This is a man who wants us to be like Venezuela, and I am pretty sure if he got into power we soon would. We probably won't know how bad it is after Mcdonnell has ''reeducated'' all civil servants .

I might not be afraid of dying, but I would not walk in front of a man with a gun who wanted to shoot me if I didn't want to die.

Fear of something and not wanting something are different things.

 

[Zlatan]

Indeed, and it's why I'd be happy for Jeremy Corbyn to head a Labour government for a five year term, since he intends to nationalise rail and water utilities, a thoroughly good thing. Returning the prison system to government control would also be better than the mess we have now, but he's made no mention of that.
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I cant quite believe that flecc. You perhaps rightly see leaving EU as an unknown and problematic process but think Corbyn (and Co) could actually run country with any modicum of success. Surely we, ve seen his capability, policies and associations to know he cant.???

https://mol.im/a/6867499

Mervyn King still convinced we, d be fine with no deal...

 

[oyster]

I'd much rather have Grieve than his neighbouring MP, Baker:

Dominic Grieve loses confidence vote held by Beaconsfield Tories
Remain-supporting MP, who has said he felt ashamed of his party, rejected by members
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/30/dominic-grieve-loses-confidence-vote-held-by-beaconsfield-tories

Grieve accuses ex-Ukip opponent of insurgency after confidence vote loss
MP says Jon Conway only joined Beaconsfield Tories to defeat confidence motion
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/30/grieve-accuses-ex-ukip-opponent-of-insurgency-after-confidence-vote-loss

 

[50Hertz]

exactly so why do we need politicians if they are just yes men for the EU

We probably need a few, but not 600 odd. Didn’t “call me Dave” pledge to reduce the number of MPs? That didn’t happen because there were no adults available to supervise him.

The Palace of Westminster is a nice building and I’d hate to see it decay. I don’t see why MPs can’t conduct their business on a secure military base, somewhere like RAF Wattisham in Suffolk. It would save a fortune in central London security. Wattisham has many disused F4 Phantom hangars which are bomb and blast proof, they would be ideal. In fact one Phantom hangar is used to house computer servers and it forms one of the sites which backs up all of the UK’s banking system records.

Stick ‘em out there I say.

 

[Nev]

Indeed, and it's why I'd be happy for Jeremy Corbyn to head a Labour government for a five year term, since he intends to nationalise rail and water utilities, a thoroughly good thing. Returning the prison system to government control would also be better than the mess we have now, but he's made no mention of that.
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I quite like many of Labours policies I just don't like or trust JC. I do not trust him to take the right course of action if we were facing some kind of emergency that required military intervention.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I quite like many of Labours policies I just don't like or trust JC. I do not trust him to take the right course of action if we were facing some kind of emergency that required military intervention.

I realise hindsight is 20 20 for all of us. But - if instead of having a gungho blair alligning himself with an equally gung ho military usa/bush we had had a more pacifist corbyn type alligning itself with the eu stance against aggression in middle east twenty years ago - wed have saved the world and the next two or three generations an absolute mountain of grief

 

[flecc]

you are frightened of leaving the EU but feel confident that Corbyn could run the country. Words fail me. This is a man who wants us to be like Venezuela, and I am pretty sure if he got into power we soon would. We probably won't know how bad it is after Mcdonnell has ''reeducated'' all civil servants .

You've clearly been brainwashed by the right wing media, Jeremy Corbyn is no further left wing than members of the Attlee government that did so much good post war. This country is in real need of change in in its governance after the immense harm and social imbalance of decades of both Tory and Blair's pseudo Tory rule.

A dose of straightforward socialism will bring that balance and get rail and water back where it belongs, under state control. There's only so much a UK government can do in five years anyway.
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[flecc]

I quite like many of Labours policies I just don't like or trust JC. I do not trust him to take the right course of action if we were facing some kind of emergency that required military intervention.

I do trust that he wouldn't make the disastrous mistake Blair did with the Iraq war. Most of the "emergencies" are nothing of the sort and don't require any military action. It's only a certain right wing mentality that sees war as any sort of solution.
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[jonathan.agnew]

But who do we have capable of taking on the EU? Anyway, the EU is us, we are part of it, let’s not refer to the EU as a foreign entity, we make up some of what it is.

Also think of the EU as carers for our own U.K. mis-fit, retarded and special needs politicians.

Regulation (eu) 1169/2011. It forces food companies to label content of food on packaging. Very domestic,i know. But if you have a child with diabetes or allergy,life saving. Our corrupt conniving goverment would never have achieved this level of conumer protection. Its not that their incapable,more utterly sel serving. If brexit hasnt made that clear i dont think anything will

 

[flecc]

like RAF Wattisham in Suffolk. In fact one Phantom hangar is used to house computer servers and it forms one of the sites which backs up all of the UK’s banking system records.

Hush, you're not supposed to post that!

Every terrorist in the country will be looking it up on maps right now.
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[gray198]

You've clearly been brainwashed by the right wing media,

for brainwashed substitute ''reeducated''. Isn't that what Mcdonnell wants to do

 

[gray198]

Regulation (eu) 1169/2011. It forces food companies to label content of food on packaging. Very domestic,i know. But if you have a child with diabetes or allergy,life saving. Our corrupt conniving goverment would never have achieved this level of conumer protection. Its not that their incapable,more utterly sel serving. If brexit hasnt made that clear i dont think anything will

how do you know that