Brexit, for once some facts.

[Kudoscycles]

May has allowed a free vote on the no deal vote tomorrow.....it will be interesting how many vote to delete no deal....my guess is 500 plus to delete leaving on no deal,no more than 50 to vote for it.
That might help May to say that we need to leave within the customs union and perhaps the single market,that would get her a positive vote and the EU would agree to that and extend Art 50 to give time.
KudosDave

 

[Zlatan]

There will be a general election before the Tories yield to Labours plan. Plus it’s the only real tool they can use bar a referendum to invoke the real a50.

It will be interesting to see who breaks first and offers the second ref. I suspect it will be the Tories funnily enough. They will have to offer something different from the hard right parties they have created.

And in mean time we live in limbo and indecision creating more damage to economy which will be attributed to leaving and leavers.
Not sure why we will be in a better position post ref2 or GE. We wont be. We, ll be in same position and probably with a stronger more right wing government.
My observation is people are sick of Brexit but more so of EU. Wouldnt surprise me in slightest if support for leaving had gone up.

 

[Fingers]

And in mean time we live in limbo and indecision creating more damage to economy which will be attributed to leaving and leavers.
Not sure why we will be in a better position post ref2 or GE. We wont be. We, ll be in same position and probably with a stronger more right wing government.
My observation is people are sick of Brexit but more so of EU. Wouldnt surprise me in slightest if support for leaving had gone up.

Make no mistake. Brand UK is being dragged through the ****. Thanks to the remainers in Parliament who could never accept the referendum and the most inept government possibly in History. Although chamberlain and Eden say hi, it’s resulted in the utter gelding of our image abroad.

We look ridiculous. Even more so when we have the enforced second referendum.

The EU played it well. Although that’s like saying Pochettinos tactics were spot on against a team like Hull. All we have left is leave on WTO terms. I personally would take that. The other options are too embarrassing to contemplate.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

And in mean time we live in limbo and indecision creating more damage to economy which will be attributed to leaving and leavers.
Not sure why we will be in a better position post ref2 or GE. We wont be. We, ll be in same position and probably with a stronger more right wing government.
My observation is people are sick of Brexit but more so of EU. Wouldnt surprise me in slightest if support for leaving had gone up.

Youre absolutely wrong see
Whatukthinks.org
Everything points to a trajectory towards remain in electorate,and customs union is probably step back to sanity and rejoining eu after our brief flirtation with death.

 

[Wicky]

"...which will be attributed to leaving and leavers."

and rightly so - as a small bunch of deceivers misled, conned and levered this whole mess of a waste of time process upon the nation.

"with a stronger more right wing government."

Isn't that what you want!

Thankfully a majority of cross party MPs have repeatedly pulled us up before we willingly jump of a cliff.

 

[Fingers]

Youre absolutely wrong see
Whatukthinks.org
Everything points to a trajectory towards remain in electorate,and customs union is probably step back to sanity and rejoining eu after our brief flirtation with death.

With death....

What a terrified creature you are.

 

[Zlatan]

Youre absolutely wrong see
Whatukthinks.org
Everything points to a trajectory towards remain in electorate,and customs union is probably step back to sanity and rejoining eu after our brief flirtation with death.

All the polls said that in first ref. They are useless and used as a tool to persuade floting voters rather than a true indication.
Just speak to people, look on here. Its proven what people say and how they vote often show no relation to each other.
Wicki
No, I, ve said on a number of occasions country deserves a more centrist government. Call it what you will but either a left biased tory or a right biased labour. Trouble is with JC and the current excuse for an oposition we, ll get the Tory government we are offered. At times when opposition offer such a weak showing the opposing party know full well they can get into power with more robust extreme policies and MPs. The Tories know full well with Labour split over brexit, with JC as leader, with Abott as future Cabinet minister, with all the anti semite disgrace, with labour having such a stupid defence stance, etc etc etc etc they can almost do as they wish and get elected. They cant be as bad as JC would be in any way shape or form.
But since this is a Brexit thread please explain how a GE will change position we are in. A second ref might, if it came back remain but that by no means is assureed.
We could easily end up with JRM as PM with a larger majority and get a Remain in second ref. No deal??? Is that what remainers want??
We should have jumped off the cliff. Business can cope with no deal. It wont cope with indecision.

 

[Fingers]

Should we get Nick clegg back from Facebook to sort this out?

Just a thought.

 

[tommie]

May has allowed a free vote on the no deal vote tomorrow.....it will be interesting how many vote to delete no deal....my guess is 500 plus to delete leaving on no deal,no more than 50 to vote for it.

So how does that change things legally? Or any other `vote` for a matter of fact??

 

[jonathan.agnew]

All the polls said that in first ref. They are useless and used as a tool to persuade floting voters rather than a true indication.
Just speak to people, look on here. Its proven what peoe say and how they vote often show no relation to each other.
Wicki
No, I, ve said on a number of occasions country deserves a more centrist government. Call it what you will but either a left biased tory or a right biased labour. Trouble is with JC and the current excuse for an oposition we, ll get the Tory government we are offered. At times when opposition offer such a weak showing the opposing party know full well they can get into power with more robust extreme policies and MPs. The Tories know full well with Labour split over brexit, with JC as leader, with Abott as future Cabinet minister, with all the anti semite disgrace, with labour having such a stupid defence stance, etc etc etc etc they can almost do as they wish and get elected. They cant be as bad as JC would be in any way shape or form.

Thats (arguably) the politics. Theres something to be said for clinton's "its the economy stupid". Even the most feckless deluded ukip voter is befinning to cotton on to the nightmare of one sided trade relations with us et al brexit would take us down. No one in their right mind really want to go there. And it would take a special kind of self destructive impulse not to recognise the eu on our doorstep is our dominant trade relation

 

[Fingers]

Thats (arguably) the politics. Theres something to be said for clinton's "its the economy stupid". Even the most feckless deluded ukip voter is befinning to cotton on to the nightmare of one sided trade relations with us et al brexit would take us down. No one in their right mind really want to go there. And it would take a special kind of self destructive impulse not to recognise the eu on our doorstep is our dominant trade relation

‘Dominant’

Lol. Interesting choice of words.

 

[Zlatan]

Thats (arguably) the politics. Theres something to be said for clinton's "its the economy stupid". Even the most feckless deluded ukip voter is befinning to cotton on to the nightmare of one sided trade relations with us et al brexit would take us down. No one in their right mind really want to go there. And it would take a special kind of self destructive impulse not to recognise the eu on our doorstep is our dominant trade relation

And why shouldnt it be post leaving. Trading is mutually beneficial. EU tie political affiliation to that trade but that doesnt have to be case. A week after leaving trade would be back.
We have been scared into accepting the EU's politics, well some have, because they know no better.
Remainers have bought project fear and all the EU propoganda so we can follow EU rules for ever. A shame but feck it. You want to be ruled from Brussels by such as Junker and Barnier, so be it. Good luck. And into bargain you are probably going to get JRM as PM. Nobody is actually getting what they want, except Junker ofcourse.
Perhaps had remainers taken notice of Peter Hargreaves rather than Will Self and Gary Linekar we wouldnt be in this mess.

 

[Danidl]

So vote 1,May's deal, is dead.....Cox made sure of that.
Tomorrow parliament will vote No deal off the table...bit strange voting for nothing.
Thursday, parliament will vote for an Art50 extension....maybe the EU will give us a 21month extension,that will suit May,keeps her in office and lots more road to kick the can.
How long before she invents a new form of customs union,which is confused by so much legal jargon that nobody will understand it. Second referendum unlikely more like Labour's Brino,
KudosDave

The EU cannot legally give a 21 month extension.. unless the UK has European Parliament elections. To have a state still inside the EU,which does not have parliamentary representation,would bring the new EP of July into disrepute. If the UK attempted not to have these Elections, then it would be in default of its obligations under so many treaties. I assume it requires a British Parliament to move the writ for these in the UK . No any extension , if any will terminate by commencement of the next parliament.
And as it currently sits, there is no reasonable excuse that the EU can give for even giving any extension. The reasons presented up to now were that if the UK wanted a technical extension in order to complete outstanding matters, that would be ok,but situation does not exist as there is nothing to complete , since nothing is started.

 

[Fingers]

And why shouldnt it be post leaving. Trading is mutually beneficial. EU tie political affiliation to that trade but that doesnt have to be case. A week after leaving trade would be back.
We have been scared into accepting the EU's politics, well some have, because they know no better.
Remainers have bought project fear and all the EU propoganda so we can follow EU rules for ever. A shame but feck it. You want to be ruled from Brussels by such as Junker and Barnier, so be it. Goid luck. And into baegain you are going to get JRM as PM. Nobody is actually getting what thety want, except Junker ofcourse.

They should be forced to take the Euro as well. What’s the point of being half in half out?

Also we should not have separate teams at the Olympics. Just Europe. One team. Same as the World Cup of rugby and football.

We can keep cricket but have to merge with Ireland Scotland and the Netherlands. As I said, we keep cricket.

Let’s get on with the project!

 

[Zlatan]

They should be forced to take the Euro as well. What’s the point of being half in half out?

Also we should not have separate teams at the Olympics. Just Europe. One team. Same as the World Cup of rugby and football.

We can keep cricket but have to merge with Ireland Scotland and the Netherlands. As I said, we keep cricket.

Let’s get on with the project!

Its called assimilation. They caught Captain Kirk and nearly did him.
All joking apart, its how it will start. The Borg and EU have much in common.
Accept our policies or dont trade with us? Is that really free trade?

 

[Danidl]

May has allowed a free vote on the no deal vote tomorrow.....it will be interesting how many vote to delete no deal....my guess is 500 plus to delete leaving on no deal,no more than 50 to vote for it.
That might help May to say that we need to leave within the customs union and perhaps the single market,that would get her a positive vote and the EU would agree to that and extend Art 50 to give time.
KudosDave

No. I cannot see that final scenario happening. Yes the" no deal off table" will probably pass, but seeing how confused the debates are, even that is not assured. But there is no possible way she can bring back a WA which has been defeated twice. So bluntly there is no time.

 

[Danidl]

Its called assimilation. They caught Captain Kirk and nearly did him.
All joking apart, its how it will start. The Borg and EU have much in common.
Accept our policies or dont trade with us? Is that really free trade?

What about ..accept our standards, or we are not interested in trading with you, that is the essence of trade which is free. Contrast that with , we want to buy parts of your country and we are going to pay you with Indian Opium,.. and if you don't like it we will let our steam gunboats destroy everthing within 3 miles of the banks of the Yellow river.

 

[Zlatan]

What about ..accept our standards, or we are not interested in trading with you, that is the essence of trade which is free. Contrast that with , we want to buy parts of your country and we are going to pay you with Indian Opium,.. and if you don't like it we will let our steam gunboats destroy everthing within 3 miles of the banks of the Yellow river.

Thats rather last century Danidl. You can do better than that surely.

 

[Fingers]

Thats rather last century Danidl. You can do better than that surely.

Once the chip is in place it’s very difficult to remove.

He’s far too old now. He was brought up to hate the English and blame them for all his ills.

It’s not untypical for folk over there. You don’t have to scratch to far into the surface. If at all.

 

[Danidl]

Make no mistake. Brand UK is being dragged through the ****. Thanks to the remainers in Parliament who could never accept the referendum and the most inept government possibly in History. Although chamberlain and Eden say hi, it’s resulted in the utter gelding of our image abroad.

We look ridiculous. Even more so when we have the enforced second referendum.

The EU played it well. Although that’s like saying Pochettinos tactics were spot on against a team like Hull. All we have left is leave on WTO terms. I personally would take that. The other options are too embarrassing to contemplate.

Except apparently even the key pro Brexiteer ,Mr Johnson does not know what what these terms are and imply and needed lessons today in parliament.
What I do agree is that Brand UK is being humiliated, but not by the EU ,but by the ineptness and crassness of the proposition, that one could be in and out at the same tine, that you could have everything by conceding nothing. The EU has played a blinder,yes by being up front and honest at every turn in the process..but of course there are non so blind as will not see.