Brexit, for once some facts.

gray198

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That has been scientifically proven to not be the case. Something in the genes of right wing fanatics apparently. Left wing fanatics do bad stuff in groups but not as loners.
I agree with that. They prefer to go around in big cowardly mobs setting fire to things, attacking people going about their lawful business, and generally being a set of useless idiots being manipulated by dubious forces
 
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Fingers

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Heyy Fingers,... you been out on the shooting range again... i`m disappointed!

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that`s slack grouping.... much too low, you can do better!

Now Tommie you know my feelings on this.

I think she should be allowed in. I don't agree with it but it's the law.

I'd rather her do a ten stretch at her majesties pleasure than make a martyr of her.

Her child is innocent and as the law stands a UK subject.

He should be given a chance.

Away from her or her family mind.
 
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A lesson for our spineless weak-kneed government on how to Walk Away from dictators..

"You have to be prepared to walk!"
Trump gives Theresa May a lesson in negotiation, walking away from an intransigent dictator, whilst May embraces hers.

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They already know how to fail miserably but put on a show, thank you very much.
The most likely reason is one of his aids said
"You've got the publicity you wanted Mr President, for goodness sake don't waste it, by signing anything, you can look took tough by walking away."
 
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oldgroaner

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It's more than extraordinary, its fantastic.

I usually find that the most intelligent people have a gift for taking a complex situation and effortlessly breaking it down into simple and more easily understood chunks. I find Danidl does quite the reverse. He takes a relatively simple situation, adds in irrelevant complications and then re-assembles the entire package into something which is much more complicated than it was at the outset. He then tries to explain his newly manufactured complexity using unnecessarily obscure words and language. This causes him to confuses himself resulting in an incoherent mess on the pages of this thread. I quite like it for its comedy value.

But returning to your original statement, yes, I think he does lack self awareness and is consumed by his own self importance, which is also extremely funny.
That was quite an insightful breakdown of this, your last post,Danidl tries to add necessary details to give a clearer assessment , nothing wrong with that.
 

50Hertz

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Whats with the sudden outbreak of trolling?it comes across as pathetic attempts to compensate for fundamental lack of self esteem.
The accusations of trolling which you repeteatedly make when anything is posted that you disagree with is like your very own Irish backstop situation. When you run out of words and sentences, you default to the “you’re trolling” backstop, not just with me, but with anyone who has an opinion which differs to your own.

On the plus side many of your posts are funny, but unfortunately, not for reasons that you would find flattering.
 
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50Hertz

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That was quite an insightful breakdown of this, your last post,Danidl tries to add necessary details to give a clearer assessment , nothing wrong with that.
Almost there, but if you try again you will see that I said “adds in irrelevant complications”. This is something very different to adding necessary detail.

You had a good try though and I’m pleased with the effort you are making. If you continue to work hard, you will get it right in no time at all, of that I am certain. Keep trying & well done.
 

50Hertz

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The discussion had been on anti-semitism so I replied factually on that subject citing the Jewish view. Your above response is totally unwarranted.



And how am I to know what you were thinking of if you don't state it? I'm not psychic.

And I don't agree, Lammy is absolutely right.
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Sorry, point taken, you weren’t to know I was referring to David Lammy MP, who is a dreadful racist. They way he has hijacked a charitable cause and stained it with racist remarks in order to raise his own profile is awful.
 

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The accusations of trolling which you repeteatedly make when anything is posted that you disagree with is like your very own Irish backstop situation. When you run out of words and sentences, you default to the “you’re trolling” backstop, not just with me, but with anyone who has an opinion which differs to your own.

On the plus side many of your posts are funny, but unfortunately, not for reasons that you would find flattering.
No, trolling is when one launches personal attacks on another poster. Instead of arguing the facts, remaining on topic. As you do, very often, including in your reply to me, when you run out of valid arguments, as you also do, frequently. Outside a prep school playground, it is very boring.
 
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trolling is when one launches personal attacks on another poster. Instead of arguing the facts, remaining on topic.
here is something to get back to brexit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-01/brexit-chaos-appeals-to-human-desire-for-drama

Logic unavailing, a more plausible explanation for Brexit fervor may lie in the power of historical myth, as suggested by Irish journalist Fintan O’Toole in his book “Heroic Failure: Brexit and the Politics of Pain.” O’Toole sees the Brexit debacle rooted not in any reality, but in rising English nationalism and a longing for the mythic heroism of World War II and the glories of the lost British Empire. If that sounds preposterous, read the English press.

Rid ourselves of the shackles of the EU, conservatives imagine, and the English — “a sea-faring people” inhabiting “a sceptred isle” — will resume their proud role as unmatched free traders. They’ll revisit their mythical past as swashbuckling buccaneers. Standing up to the EU, invoking another myth, only reflects the Dunkirk spirit. Brexit, in many English minds, has become a contest of wills between Europe and we-will-never-surrender England. Such charged framing plays a disconcertingly prominent role in energizing the Brexit psychodrama.

O’Toole also explores a long-standing obsession of some English conservatives with narratives in which the European project is a disguised attempt by Germany to defeat Britain and dominate Europe, realizing a “Euroreich” — this time without firing a shot. Such notions would seem remote from serious politics, were it not for prominent figures in the U.K. government giving voice to such fantasies. British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt has compared the EU to both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

From this perspective, O’Toole notes, the Brexit referendum is a fantasy of national liberation — an historic breaking-free from tyranny and oppression. The trouble, of course, is that the EU — for all its actual imperfections — has never been an oppressive force over the U.K. (Greece has a different experience). Hence, Brexit supporters face an unpalatable choice: lashing themselves to the heroic myth and quite possibly landing the nation in a no-deal Brexit catastrophe, or abandoning the heroic enterprise. But that would mean falling back on boring reality, fantasies deflated.
 

50Hertz

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No, trolling is when one launches personal attacks on another poster. Instead of arguing the facts, remaining on topic. As you do, very often, including in your reply to me, when you run out of valid arguments, as you also do, frequently. Outside a prep school playground, it is very boring.
Stay on topic please.
 
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jonathan.agnew

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That may apply to extreme eastender and daytime telly addicts. Perhaps their brexits natural parish. I don't know about other posters, but my relatively sedentary life gives me enough stress not to need brexit. But I can see the logic. After thatcherism, many then late adolescents lost their cause, something to fight against. But there must be more creative ways to spend one's remaining days on the planet than perennially talking about backstops?
 
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Woosh

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And what would you have been able to achieve?
I would treat any negotiation like meeting a customer coming into the shop to test ride some bikes.
The measure of success is a happy customer, a win win outcome.
I listen to the customer, answer his questions, sort out niggles like seat post, handlebars adjustments etc.
The main thing is, plan for alternatives ahead when the customer makes an appointment.
I make sure to show not only what the customer intends to buy but also what would suit him/her better.
What DT should have done is clear: N. Koreans spent years and years in privation to pursue nuclear weapons, they are not going to give them all up at once. They only want one step at a time. It was clear to the USA in the previous meeting. Asking for total denuclearisation is like asking for total surrender, it's bound to get to nowhere.
I am pretty sure that they all know that, there should have been a menu of affordable deals. The job of DT is to take home one or a few of the items on the menu.
 

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brexit conundrum:

The only surprise here is that it is a surprise. I referred some two years ago to the aggravation being experienced by non UK people working in the NHS at the time of the referendum. Many of the younger more mobile professionals,making a decision that when their contracts expired they were going to leave. Of course, they then talk to their friends and they in turn vote with their feet.
 

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