Brexit, for once some facts.
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Ironically, that website appears to be hosted in Germany.
http://whois.domaintools.com/facts4eu.org
Also, whilst implying neutrality actually says the opposite:
NEUTRALITY: Facts4eu.org focuses on information which shows that the UK is better off regaining its independence and growing globally. The entire weight of the Establishment is promoting the opposite case, so this site is just one small voice trying to redress the balance.
Yep, without doubt. They all have personal agendas. Sticking to their own private opinions rather than those that might get us out the mire.
Oxygen James makes good points as do yourself and OG..But somewhere we, ve all got to say hang on a minute here. This is my opinion but yours has merit... Listening to HoC that seems impossible..They are still at insulting stage. Listen how Corbyn and May address each other. It's absolutely unbelievable in 2018...They are worse than us on here and we wonder why they get nowhere. If it were a group of managers discussing a company they, d all be sacked.
Of course there are no police either. Theresa May decimated the police during her reign of incompetence as Home Secretary. Most of the coppers hate her anyway so won’t feel inclined to “go the extra mile” to assist. Same for the army, shat on from a great height.
You'd better find some better facts than this.
Our GDP is largely internal so won't pay for all the imports we need to survive.
It's the balance of trade than matters, we aren't doing too well in that and if we crash out with no deal, it will get a whole lot worse for a long time.
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1. quite right you are selling services
2. not doing so well eh?
3. what does that have to do with bellonging to the EU?
4. There are exacly 167 countries which do not belong to the EU so you are correct
Whilst we keep thinking, hoping, praying that some sense will appear, we have considerable numbers of people who are taking the possibility of no-deal very seriously:
No-deal Brexit is a national disaster. It is every politician’s job to avert it
Jonathan Freedland
No government, or opposition, should countenance inflicting the hardships of war on its country. This is collective madness
Late on Tuesday, the Labour MP David Lammy tweeted these words: “I just want to run through the corridors screaming “wake the **** up people”. He’s right to feel that way. I know that British politics is meant to be conducted – by politicians and commentators alike – with polite restraint, all hints and understatement, but when madness surrounds us, then it makes sense to get mad.
And make no mistake, what we are witnessing is a collective insanity. We now learn that the British army will put 3,500 troops on standby to manage the fallout from a no-deal crash-out from the European Union on 29 March. The health secretary has announced that he has become the world’s biggest purchaser of fridges, so that the UK will have sufficient storage capacity for perishable medicine. In the same vein, he has chartered a dedicated NHS plane to ensure medical isotopes – vital for cancer treatment – can be flown directly from Holland to Britain in the event of a no-deal exit.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/19/no-deal-brexit-disaster-madness-war
No-deal Brexit is a national disaster. It is every politician’s job to avert it
Jonathan Freedland
No government, or opposition, should countenance inflicting the hardships of war on its country. This is collective madness
Late on Tuesday, the Labour MP David Lammy tweeted these words: “I just want to run through the corridors screaming “wake the **** up people”. He’s right to feel that way. I know that British politics is meant to be conducted – by politicians and commentators alike – with polite restraint, all hints and understatement, but when madness surrounds us, then it makes sense to get mad.
And make no mistake, what we are witnessing is a collective insanity. We now learn that the British army will put 3,500 troops on standby to manage the fallout from a no-deal crash-out from the European Union on 29 March. The health secretary has announced that he has become the world’s biggest purchaser of fridges, so that the UK will have sufficient storage capacity for perishable medicine. In the same vein, he has chartered a dedicated NHS plane to ensure medical isotopes – vital for cancer treatment – can be flown directly from Holland to Britain in the event of a no-deal exit.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/19/no-deal-brexit-disaster-madness-war
The scenario I am suggesting would be a consequence of there being a hard border on the island. In the case of the Deal , that would not happen, so I do welcome that Deal. I would even more welcome a scrapping of the Article 50 letter. ,But one cannot have everything.
Whilst we keep thinking, hoping, praying that some sense will appear, we have considerable numbers of people who are taking the possibility of no-deal very seriously:
No-deal Brexit is a national disaster. It is every politician’s job to avert it
Jonathan Freedland
No government, or opposition, should countenance inflicting the hardships of war on its country. This is collective madness
Late on Tuesday, the Labour MP David Lammy tweeted these words: “I just want to run through the corridors screaming “wake the **** up people”. He’s right to feel that way. I know that British politics is meant to be conducted – by politicians and commentators alike – with polite restraint, all hints and understatement, but when madness surrounds us, then it makes sense to get mad.
And make no mistake, what we are witnessing is a collective insanity. We now learn that the British army will put 3,500 troops on standby to manage the fallout from a no-deal crash-out from the European Union on 29 March. The health secretary has announced that he has become the world’s biggest purchaser of fridges, so that the UK will have sufficient storage capacity for perishable medicine. In the same vein, he has chartered a dedicated NHS plane to ensure medical isotopes – vital for cancer treatment – can be flown directly from Holland to Britain in the event of a no-deal exit.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/19/no-deal-brexit-disaster-madness-war
Good old David Lammy. People just need to be woken up!
This is the problem. If you don’t believe in remain you’re asleep, stupid, racist etc. It’s like they have wiped the referendum from their brains.
Until acceptance comes in then we have no hope. Hard exit to wake the real sleepers up.
I agree, we'll then find out who the sleepers are, Leavers or Remainers.
Like OG I've previously posted that only a hard exit will show the truth.
That doesn't worry me since I'm well insulated against any ill effects and I'm too old to suffer any long term effects.
However, I think fear will triumph in the end and something like May's deal will be accepted, so we'll never know.
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GDP is an interesting concept... Were I to grow a few lettuces in my garden or my wife to darn or knit a pair of socks,or bake a loaf of bread, it would not contribute to GDP. However, if I bought the lettuce,or the loaf, or paid someone down the road,for sock darning it would. So every trip to the local pub,every bus journey contributes to GDP.
Actually it's no ones fault except of course those who voted for brexit.
They should have known what they were voting for.
Clearly they didn't despite us warning you, which you didn't like, did you?
Not sure how helpful this will be but here it is in context:
"Dear Remainer MP,
You seem to think that half the British economy trades with the EU. In fact only 7.4% of UK GDP comes from selling goods to the EU.
And that's the EU Commission's figure, so it's almost certainly less.
92.6% of UK GDP has nothing to do with selling goods to the EU
[Source: EU Commission]
Strangely, there are no accurate and complete figures for the number of UK businesses selling to the EU's Single Market. We know from HMRC that 145,000 VAT registered SMEs export solely to the EU, but that's just 0.54% of the total of 2.67 million VAT registered businesses in the UK. (Source: HMRC)"
From a news-letter to Remainer MPs.
The massive problem is just who to believe. Just had two speakers on Vine.. One an accountant /economist arguing we, ll be fine under WTO even with no deal... (saying we import double that we export from/to EU) and that WTO rules are fine. (Lord Monkton)
Then an MP saying no deal will be a catastrophe...??? (edit. Not an MP a Times correspondent)
We then got examples of businesses, 2 would benefit 2 said not..???
I think we should consult Diane Abbott... and do exact opposite...
Then an MP saying no deal will be a catastrophe...??? (edit. Not an MP a Times correspondent)
We then got examples of businesses, 2 would benefit 2 said not..???
I think we should consult Diane Abbott... and do exact opposite...
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Dont think you needed the "come off it" OG. Why can't we all limit comments to opinion /information.
PMQs - Lots of time being taken up working out the procedure in describing how precisely stupid the "Stupid Woman" is, who said it and who it was directed at!
Lots of female Tory MPs standing up saying "I'm Spartacus!"
Meanwhile Parliament is sailing full steam ahead towards brexit iceberg...
Lots of female Tory MPs standing up saying "I'm Spartacus!"
Meanwhile Parliament is sailing full steam ahead towards brexit iceberg...