Brexit, for once some facts.

[tillson]

With respect, nor did you see anything which definitely assured that they would. There needs to be agreements in place, which may not be the case,in order to ensure that there is a seamless transition. At its worst, it could mean that aircraft maintenance mechanics who are still as competent on April 1st , as they were the preceding Friday, will no longer be authorised to sign off on a repair. There needs to be mutual recognition agreements signed off . These can be done even pro tempore, but it needs to have happened now.
I trust that you would not conduct your own business on such a hope basis. You presumably would require an audit trail of permissions and validated procedures from authorised bodies.

My engineering license issued by the CAA transitioned to EASA Part 66 smoothly and without any difficulties. The same for transitioning to a EASA ATPL.

Crew & engineering licensing in EU member states was never anywhere near the high standards set by the U.K. CAA. That’s why much of the EASA legislation is imported from U.K. practices and procedures and why transition to EASA licensing is do easy.

Rest assured U.K. pilots and U.K. aircraft engineers will continue to operate throughout the EU after Brexit day. The U.K. standard is the gold standard that the EU aspired to. It won’t be a problem.

 

[flecc]

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Firm promises were never given. The only one that could be given and promised was leave means leave.

That is completely untrue, the promise was repeatedly made and is still being made by the Leave leader and it was as firm as any promise ever could be.

And you are even arguing against yourself, since Theresa May saying Leave means Leave was not a promise by your standard since it was subject to parliamentary approval and could be reversed, especially in the long period before article 50 was served.

The biggest mistake in your post was to prematurely refer to a Remain devastating defeat. It's looking almost certain now that the defeat will be Leaves since a No Deal departure is being ruled as out of the question.

May's poor deal or a slightly tweaked version is not leaving the EU as leavers themselves are protesting.

We Remainers lost the referendum battle, but winning the war is more important and that is increasingly in sight.
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[flecc]

With respect, nor did you see anything which definitely assured that they would. There needs to be agreements in place, which may not be the case,in order to ensure that there is a seamless transition.

I've just listened to an expert in these matters within a BBC Radio 4 program in the i-player say new hurried agreements would be necessary to allow UK-EU flights to continue, and that they could be limited to just some routes with some not included for national reasons.

The whole 30 minute program is interesting and informative.
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[Fingers]

That is completely untrue, the promise was repeatedly made and is still being made by the Leave leader and it was as firm as any promise ever could be.

And you are even arguing against yourself, since Theresa May saying Leave means Leave was not a promise by your standard since it was subject to parliamentary approval and could be reversed, especially in the long period before article 50 was served.

The biggest mistake in your post was to prematurely refer to a Remain devastating defeat. It's looking almost certain now that the defeat will be Leaves since a No Deal departure is being ruled as out of the question.

May's poor deal or a slightly tweaked version is not leaving the EU as leavers themselves are protesting.

We Remainers lost the referendum battle, but winning the war is more important and that is increasingly in sight.
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We'll see. I never thought we would be allowed to leave anyway. But if it doesn't happen it won't affect me too much either. I won't cry about it.

I would rather leave but I wouldn't take part in a second referendum I doubt I'd vote again tbh.

It's all swings and roundabouts. At the moment you are ahead by a short neck. Next week it could be leave. As I've repeatedly said this is going to the wire. Plenty more twists and turns in this race.

I really wouldn't start crowing just yet. Your devestating defeat despite having an open goal is more likely to stand than fall atm.

 

[gray198]

She's just being loyal to her husband.
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I read somewhere that we are one of the biggest producers of medicinal cannabis in the world, so I would presume that's what he is growing??

 

[oldgroaner]

That doesn't even makes sense . And you accuse me of posting nonsense.....

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[oldgroaner]

We'll see. I never thought we would be allowed to leave anyway. But if it doesn't happen it won't affect me too much either. I won't cry about it.

I would rather leave but I wouldn't take part in a second referendum I doubt I'd vote again tbh.

It's all swings and roundabouts. At the moment you are ahead by a short neck. Next week it could be leave. As I've repeatedly said this is going to the wire. Plenty more twists and turns in this race.

I really wouldn't start crowing just yet. Your devestating defeat despite having an open goal is more likely to stand than fall atm.

Devastating defeat? best joke you've made yet I forecast that leave would win on the basis that there was certain to be enough people as gullible as you to fall for a pack of lies, and they did.

 

[flecc]

I read somewhere that we are one of the biggest producers of medicinal cannabis in the world, so I would presume that's what he is growing??

Yes that is the case in this incidence, on behalf of British Sugar who apparently have the licence for it. The land was previously used to grow tomatoes.
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[oldgroaner]

I disagree strongly.

I can't know exactly what people think and neither do you but I do think its a fatuos myth peddled by the true believers into justifying your devestating defeat at the hands of the British public.

Think about it. All the money we give the EU and it goes back into one sector. Not infrastructure, not the arts, not transport, not science, not....you get the point. The money we give the EU came back in a myriad of schemes and enterprises. The notion, or suggestion on the side of a bus was a simple, clear indication of how much money we give to the EU a week. And before you say it I know we got some of that back directly but it was a simple message that proved effective.

Firm promises were never given. The only one that could be given and promised was leave means leave.

More twaddle it was a simple message that only the simple believed, but there were enough conned by it to gain a tiny majority

 

[oldgroaner]

Here is a graphic even tommie will struggle to misunderstand

Despite that, I'm sure he will

 

[oldtom]

Please stick to the facts.

What a complete and utter you really are.

Tom

 

[Danidl]

My engineering license issued by the CAA transitioned to EASA Part 66 smoothly and without any difficulties. The same for transitioning to a EASA ATPL.

Crew & engineering licensing in EU member states was never anywhere near the high standards set by the U.K. CAA. That’s why much of the EASA legislation is imported from U.K. practices and procedures and why transition to EASA licensing is do easy.

Rest assured U.K. pilots and U.K. aircraft engineers will continue to operate throughout the EU after Brexit day. The U.K. standard is the gold standard that the EU aspired to. It won’t be a problem.

"It won’t be a problem" is hopeful, but not definitive. I am not querying the quality of UK engineering prowess, but I am querying the assumption that it will all be fine dandy and legal. The same problem will arise regarding take off rights. Rest assured that no air traffic controller will allow a flight unless they are convinced it is legal.

 

[flecc]

I would rather leave but I wouldn't take part in a second referendum I doubt I'd vote again tbh.

This is why I forecasted in a recent post that Remain would win a second referendum by a large margin. I believe many leavers are sufficiently disappointed by the outcome at present that they'll not bother to vote again. Meanwhile the Remainers who didn't vote last time through complacently believing they'd win anyway, wouldn't make that mistake again.

Your devestating defeat despite having an open goal is more likely to stand than fall atm.

Under 4% margin devastating! That's funny. That tiny margin was a confirmation of how wrong the leavers had always been. For over 40 years they've whinged that the British public 69% in 1975 only voted for the Common Market and not an EU, but the referendum showed almost half the UK want and like the EU and made the effort to vote for it.
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[Fingers]

What a complete and utter View attachment 27991 you really are.

Tom

Are you calling yourself a plonker?

Thats weird. But you make a strong case.

 

[tillson]

"It won’t be a problem" is hopeful, but not definitive. I am not querying the quality of UK engineering prowess, but I am querying the assumption that it will all be fine dandy and legal. The same problem will arise regarding take off rights. Rest assured that no air traffic controller will allow a flight unless they are convinced it is legal.

You are right of course, these are all predictions. I think the prediction that aircraft will be grounded with no flying between the U.K. and EU is another, “Emergency Budget” following a Leave vote, moment.

 

[Fingers]

This is why I forecasted in a recent post that Remain would win a second referendum by a large margin. I believe many leavers are sufficiently disappointed by the outcome at present that they'll not bother to vote again. Meanwhile the Remainers who didn't vote last time through complacently believing they'd win anyway, wouldn't make that mistake again.



Under 4% margin devastating! That's funny. That tiny margin was a confirmation of how wrong the leavers had always been. For over 40 years they've whinged that the British public 69% in 1975 only voted for the Common Market and not an EU, but the referendum showed almost half the UK want and like the EU and made the effort to vote for it.
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You all seem pretty devestated tbf.

 

[Danidl]

You are right of course, these are all predictions. I think the prediction that aircraft will be grounded with no flying between the U.K. and EU is another, “Emergency Budget” following a Leave vote, moment.

..yes we can agree at this level...

 

[oldtom]

Are you calling yourself a plonker?

It could only be you Wayne.

Tom

 

[gray198]

Under 4% margin devastating! That's funny. That tiny margin was a confirmation of how wrong the leavers had always been. For over 40 years they've whinged that the British public 69% in 1975 only voted for the Common Market and not an EU, but the referendum showed almost half the UK want and like the EU and made the effort to vote for it.

not a large margin, that is agreed, but I think where the devastation arises is that it was never expected to happen. Cameron thought it would never happen, thereby made no preparation for it, then ran away when it did. They threw everything at it that they could, dire warnings about recession hundreds of thousands of jobs going etc etc, none of which seemed to happen, in fact in terms of jobs and growth the opposite. It seems to me that the politicians had got no idea what was going on in the country outside the M25 corridor and were devastated when the vote went against them. Despite a massive majority agreeing to give a vote and honour the result they have spent the last 2 years trying to stop it happening. I think I am with Fingers on this one and whatever the outcome will not bother to vote again. Maybe there will be millions more with the same view. After all what is the point

 

[flecc]

You all seem pretty devestated tbf.

True enough, shows we can get one thing wrong.
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