Brexit, for once some facts.

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here is the link to the ComRes poll:
https://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Final-Daily-Express-Poll-and-VI-on-Brexit-03122018.pdf



The UK has always been the most business friendly country in the EU so the 65% 'agree' is not surprising.
If ComRes had asked two questions instead of that one, fewer would have agreed with lowest tax
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It does reinforce my point that the wording of Polls is a subject that should raise concerns as to how they are being used as propaganda by either side in not just this but every other political campaign.
 
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Public services such as the NHS and the Police have plenty of money, it's just that these services have quota driven appointments to the top jobs. As a result, we end up with fools running the services and wasting all the money.

It always strikes me as amusing when we here statements such as, a funding crisis means cuts in care of the elderly, NHS services will be cut due to a lack of funds or libraries and other public services will close because there is no money. We never hear, "Foreign Aid is going to be slashed because of a lack of money." Never once is anything of that nature ever suggested. It is always cuts at home whilst tax payers money is given away to nations more wealthy than our own.

So I would like to see lower taxes here to encourage business and to create employment. I would also like to see Foreign Aid slashed. We are currently the second most generous country in the world giving away more money than any other country in the EU. (Don't quote percentages at me 10% of FA is still FA).
Apart from increasing dividends and inflating CEO salaries tillson, just how do you imagine reducing business taxes will encourage business?
Unless of course you are referring to Offshire Tax havens.

As to the NHS and Police having more money, are you saying decreasing taxation will benefit them?
How does that work? it will justify further cuts.
And in the atmosphere of compete or bust the money will be made up by cutting benefits, for those in need of them won't it?
More people needing more food banks.

So you want to cut Foreign Aid AKA bribes to con other countries into contracts, I'm all for that, but doubt you will get more business doing it.
The opposition will bribe them for it instead.

Put simply Lower Taxes will not encourage business when the class gaining that advantage simply pocket the proceeds, and we haven't any trade deals to exploit anyway.

Cutting Foreign Aid?, why not, even though we take business losses as a consequence, for why else do you think we pay it out?
Does this Government look Altruistic to you?
I looks more corrupt to me.
 
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Apart from increasing dividends and inflating CEO salaries tillson, just how do you imagine reducing business taxes will encourage business?
Unless of course you are referring to Offshire Tax havens.

As to the NHS and Police having more money, are you saying decreasing taxation will benefit them?
How does that work? it will justify further cuts.
And in the atmosphere of compete or bust the money will be made up by cutting benefits, for those in need of then won't it?
More people and more food banks.

So you want to cut Foreign Aid AKA bribes to con other countries into contracts, I'm all for that, but doubt you will get more business doing it.
The opposition will bribe them for it instead.

Put simply Lower Taxes will not encourage business when the class gaining that advantage simply pocket the proceeds.

Cutting Foreign Aid, why not, even though we take business losses as a consequence, for why else do you think we pay it out?
Does this Government look Altruistic to you?
I looks more corrupt to me.
Can’t see how funding the expression of the menstrual cycle through the medium of free dance in Rwanda benefits the U.K.
 
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Can’t see how funding the expression of the menstrual through the medium of free dance in Rwanda benefits the U.K.
Did I say it does? I said we use foreign aid as a Bribe for trade.
Was that quote from the same bloke who gave us the "Bent Bananas banned by the EU"?
 
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% of GNI
 
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As I said 10% of FA is still FA. The U.K. is the second most generous nation on Earth in terms of actual money donated. It’s the cash which counts, you can’t spend a % symbol. The percentage chart is a favourite of those wishing to undermine the U.K. and USA.
 
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Third behind Germany in 2015 and over 0.7% of gross national income as per UN recommendations. The US and Germany don't give 0.7%...

The situation for France is ambiguous because although as a nation they are below the national 0.7% the people of France do give quite a bit directly and are very present on the ground, especially in Africa with privately funded water wells, schools etc. There is general suspicion as you have indicated in your post tilson that public foreign aid isn't going to the people it should be going to.
 
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As if Data manipulation by Cambridge Analytica wasn't bad enough the stage has been reached where the public ar e buying devices that can make them directly vulnerable to malign influence in the home
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Amazon’s Alexa could be used to examine a couple’s everyday communication ( AP )
Alexa and Google Home have capacity to predict if couple are struggling and can interrupt arguments, finds study
In-home listening devices 'can identify optimal ways to discuss common problems and alleviate misunderstandings', says report author.

And be used to sell political opinions and manipulate the public.

 
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As if Data manipulation by Cambridge Analytica wasn't bad enough the stage has been reached where the public ar e buying devices that can make them directly vulnerable to malign influence in the home
"

Amazon’s Alexa could be used to examine a couple’s everyday communication ( AP )
Alexa and Google Home have capacity to predict if couple are struggling and can interrupt arguments, finds study
In-home listening devices 'can identify optimal ways to discuss common problems and alleviate misunderstandings', says report author.

And be used to sell political opinions and manipulate the public.
<sound of George Orwell rolling over in his grave>
 

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As I said 10% of FA is still FA. The U.K. is the second most generous nation on Earth in terms of actual money donated. It’s the cash which counts, you can’t spend a % symbol. The percentage chart is a favourite of those wishing to undermine the U.K. and USA.
Except of course for the fact that it is spent more on Bribes than Aid of course.
 

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I, m in India (Goa) at moment. Looking for pastures new... (A rival already has a base here)
Amazed at how interested folk here are in Brexit... All pretty much without exception saying why don't you just leave with no deal. Place is stunning. After sailing... Had 2 cokes, a large beer, a G and T and 2 superb chicken Tikka... Total £5.75..(there were 2 of us)
It's like Spain was 30 years ago but with less bureaucracy and corruption ..
People friendly, air temp 32,water 23, Had superb wind till 3 ish... Gorgeous cheap food. I won't be going back to South France, Northern Spain. And locals all speak English.. 10 hour flight but worth it...
There is life outside EU .. If you look for it. Not that we are leaving...
Spain, France, Greece do nothing but put obstacles in your way to spend money with them. India can't do enough to help get us here...
Like I, ve said before I personally would leave but actually could not care less. It will make feck all difference to man in street. All the lot rip us off. You make best of hand you are dealt.. Time to move on. Wasting too much time on Brexit argument. Folk have written books, started businesses, and built empires on less effort then we, ve put into arguing about Brexit.
Its all utterly futile. Just stay or fecking go. FFS.
 
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Important news...
As reported today, an opinion from the Advocate General of the ECJ , suggests that the the UK can unilaterally take back their Article 50 letter. The AG provides advice to the ECJ, and is followed in 80% of rulings. A definitive ruling will emerge in perhaps a fortnight.
Seriously this is a game changer, and puts the ball directly back in the UK s court.
 

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At moment Brexit reminds me of that kid that climbs up to top block of diving board, walks to edge and stands there. Darent jump off but won't climb down. Every body in baths is shouting jump or come down... but he refuses either. Tottering on edge feeling worse and worse with a queue building up, all shouting FFS make your mind up.
Its not the jump or the climb down that does the harm... Its the indignity of the wait that's harmful.
We decided to jump. Right or wrong good or bad we should be heading for the water. We aint. Too many folk screaming at the kid.
 

anotherkiwi

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I, m in India (Goa) at moment. Looking for pastures new... (A rival already has a base here)
Amazed at how interested folk here are in Brexit... All pretty much without exception saying why don't you just leave with no deal. Place is stunning. After sailing... Had 2 cokes, a large beer, a G and T and 2 superb chicken Tikka... Total £5.75..(there were 2 of us)
It's like Spain was 30 years ago but with less bureaucracy and corruption ..
People friendly, air temp 32,water 23, Had superb wind till 3 ish... Gorgeous cheap food. I won't be going back to South France, Northern Spain. And locals all speak English.. 10 hour flight but worth it...
There is life outside EU .. If you look for it. Not that we are leaving...
Spain, France, Greece do nothing but put obstacles in your way to spend money with them. India can't do enough to help get us here...
Like I, ve said before I personally would leave but actually could not care less. It will make feck all difference to man in street. All the lot rip us off. You make best of hand you are dealt.. Time to move on. Wasting too much time on Brexit argument. Folk have written books, started businesses, and built empires on less effort then we, ve put into arguing about Brexit.
Its all utterly futile. Just stay or fecking go. FFS.
Good on you.

A very close friend of mine caught some kind of hepatitis and died in a hospital in Goa. Do enjoy the cheap food!
 

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It always strikes me as amusing when we here statements such as, a funding crisis means cuts in care of the elderly, NHS services will be cut due to a lack of funds or libraries and other public services will close because there is no money. We never hear, "Foreign Aid is going to be slashed because of a lack of money." Never once is anything of that nature ever suggested. It is always cuts at home whilst tax payers money is given away to nations more wealthy than our own.

So I would like to see lower taxes
I agree with most of that post 'tillson' but lowering taxes on business will not have the effect you imagine on job prospects, etc. It never has done previously and indeed, many previous inducements and encouragements to business, particularly start-ups, lead to further public money being required to support or bail-out failed ventures by charlatan, opportunist tycoons.

Off the top of my head, I can think of individuals such as John DeLorean, Asil Nadir, Philip Green, Dominic Chappell, war hero Robert Maxwell, the consummate champagne socialist, plus those major, corporate heroes of the tory party, the gangsters who ran Carillion. Then, of course, there was the 'Phoenix Four' who apparently didn't do anything wrong but amazingly all became multi-millionaires overnight when they sank MG Rover in 2005.

Sadly, the thieves I have mentioned are only the tip of a very large iceberg but HMRC simply do not have the resources to capture all the tax cheats ripping off the only people who compulsorily have their tax deducted at source from their salary. That suits the establishment and both big and small business very well!

Tom
 

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