Brexit, for once some facts.
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Just can't stop spamming can you?
Permission to correct you on that point
I forecast that leave would win as it seemed obvious.
All the factors were there
The Public had come to regard the cause of it's miseries quite mistakenly as being the EU, after all for a full generation every thing the UK government balls up was blamed by them and the media on the EU
So people misled by propaganda and tempted by the fact the Government was pro EU voted in protest .
What surprised me was that the win margin for leave wasn't much bigger!
I agree and said so at the time, it was indeed a shock, but the tiny margin was encouraging since it invigorated we Remainers. We always knew that the Leaver mantra that the 69% of the country only voted for a Common Market and not an EU wasn't true, and the referendum result proved it
Indeed, what was the point, the referendum should never have happened since the establishment was always going to get it's own way in the end. As Sir Simon McDonald, Head of the Diplomatic Service said recently, the art of diplomacy is letting others have your way.
I'm sure the same is ensured in all UK government policies, and indeed EU ones these days. They are the bosses, whether we like it or not, and our elective dictatorship in lieu of democracy ensures that continues.
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You are only here to disrupt and generally make a nuisance of yourself. It became clear quite some time ago that you have nothing by way of evidence or fact to illustrate how when or where the UK population might somehow benefit from secession.
In spite of being given ample opportunity to state your case and impress the readership here that you actually know what you're talking about, you have failed repeatedly to take advantage of that invitation, instead simply trolling the forum attempting to put down those who support the remain point of view, a view that is predicated on known facts and evidence.
Like all trolls, you demonstrate nasty, spiteful, arrogant behaviour and I'm sure I'm not alone in finding you thoroughly dislikeable…..
Tom
Opposition parties launch joint contempt proceedings against ministers over Brexit legal advice – Politics live
The opposition parties in the Commons seem particularly upset that Geoffrey Cox has refused to divulge the full advice on the ramifications of 'Brexit', causing then to jointly protest in writing to the Speaker that Cox is in contempt of parliament.
Fine, that's a procedural matter and I hope the house is permitted to debate it and that the government is forced to publish the full content of all advices received about the prognosis for the various scenarios in their legal briefings from the Attorney General and/or other sources not divulged.
Two important issues have arisen in regard to what precipitated what was heard to day in the house:
First:
MPs voted last month to require the government to lay before Parliament "any legal advice in full".
Second:
The Government has failed to publish the Attorney General's full and final legal advice on the Brexit deal, as was ordered by Parliament.
What concerns me more is the fact that Cox spoke with breathtaking arrogance and seems not to comprehend that he was being contemptuous of not only parliament, but of the whole British nation. The BBC web coverage of the essence of his speech to the house can be found here:
uk-politics-46419790
Tom
Fine, that's a procedural matter and I hope the house is permitted to debate it and that the government is forced to publish the full content of all advices received about the prognosis for the various scenarios in their legal briefings from the Attorney General and/or other sources not divulged.
Two important issues have arisen in regard to what precipitated what was heard to day in the house:
First:
MPs voted last month to require the government to lay before Parliament "any legal advice in full".
Second:
The Government has failed to publish the Attorney General's full and final legal advice on the Brexit deal, as was ordered by Parliament.
What concerns me more is the fact that Cox spoke with breathtaking arrogance and seems not to comprehend that he was being contemptuous of not only parliament, but of the whole British nation. The BBC web coverage of the essence of his speech to the house can be found here:
uk-politics-46419790
Tom
Here is an interesting letter
Link to the full letter
https://twitter.com/RobertCPalmer13/status/1060568994200145922
Link to the full letter
https://twitter.com/RobertCPalmer13/status/1060568994200145922
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I think that the Understatement of the Day award should go to Geoffrey Cox
Brexit backstop plan is calculated risk - Geoffrey Cox
Not half so big a one as defying Parliament's explicit orders to reveal the full legal details
And he got a very warm reception on Channel 4 News too
Brexit backstop plan is calculated risk - Geoffrey Cox
Not half so big a one as defying Parliament's explicit orders to reveal the full legal details
And he got a very warm reception on Channel 4 News too
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I suspected something along these lines would crop up this month…..
Brexit advent calendar goes on sale with **** all behind each door.
Tom
Brexit advent calendar goes on sale with **** all behind each door.
Tom
Ah yes Geoffery Cox the Attorney General is a big time leaver - from this quite rousing speech at the Tory Conference I suspect he'll go down on the bridge of the sinking Tory Party alongside T.M. channelling his inner Brian Blessed voice sans his beard, after earlier selling them all false promises of a glorious Brexit free from Europe,
They'll have to pry the full legal advice documents from his fingers with a crowbar.
They'll have to pry the full legal advice documents from his fingers with a crowbar.
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This sounds like a lie Tom.
You never mentioned this before.
Why do you have to lie all the time?
In the Express this morning
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‘LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE!’ Rees-Mogg says 'establishment DOESN'T know best' - new BREXIT POLL
EXCLUSIVE: Nearly two-thirds of voters want Britain to aim to be the most low-tax, business-friendly country in Europe after Brexit, an exclusive opinion poll for the Daily Express has revealed.
Interesting,let us assume that the poll results are correct, I wonder what the choice of "If you want a low -tax, business friendly country" are you prepared to pay more personal tax to make up for the shortfall from services, to have further cuts to public services such as the NHS, and face increased prices in the shops and a lower standard of living?would have done to the result.
When asking questions in Polls there really should be a law that the pollster explains fully what answering the question entails.
Otherwise by couching the question carefully, they can get the public to agree to anything that takes their fancy.
An explanation of the plight of the poor in Moggs low Tax economy ideal "Singapore" would have given a very different poll result.
This result is interesting as it amounts to an admission that the present economic situation will not work after Brexit, and people see we need to adapt if the economy is to succeed.
There are many drawbacks to chasing this vision of a low tax highly competitive world beating economy.
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‘LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE!’ Rees-Mogg says 'establishment DOESN'T know best' - new BREXIT POLL
EXCLUSIVE: Nearly two-thirds of voters want Britain to aim to be the most low-tax, business-friendly country in Europe after Brexit, an exclusive opinion poll for the Daily Express has revealed.
Interesting,let us assume that the poll results are correct, I wonder what the choice of "If you want a low -tax, business friendly country" are you prepared to pay more personal tax to make up for the shortfall from services, to have further cuts to public services such as the NHS, and face increased prices in the shops and a lower standard of living?would have done to the result.
When asking questions in Polls there really should be a law that the pollster explains fully what answering the question entails.
Otherwise by couching the question carefully, they can get the public to agree to anything that takes their fancy.
An explanation of the plight of the poor in Moggs low Tax economy ideal "Singapore" would have given a very different poll result.
This result is interesting as it amounts to an admission that the present economic situation will not work after Brexit, and people see we need to adapt if the economy is to succeed.
There are many drawbacks to chasing this vision of a low tax highly competitive world beating economy.
- We haven't got the Markets to support such an idea,or the people to negotiate them
- We haven't got the companies, products or natural resources
- We haven't got the talent among the investor and managerial classes
- We haven't got a Government worthy of the name to make it all work
- The public will not take kindly when the cost hits their pockets and conditions
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here is the link to the ComRes poll:
https://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Final-Daily-Express-Poll-and-VI-on-Brexit-03122018.pdf
If ComRes had asked two questions instead of that one, fewer would have agreed with lowest tax
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https://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Final-Daily-Express-Poll-and-VI-on-Brexit-03122018.pdf
The UK has always been the most business friendly country in the EU so the 65% 'agree' is not surprising.
If ComRes had asked two questions instead of that one, fewer would have agreed with lowest tax
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Public services such as the NHS and the Police have plenty of money, it's just that these services have quota driven appointments to the top jobs. As a result, we end up with fools running the services and wasting all the money.
It always strikes me as amusing when we here statements such as, a funding crisis means cuts in care of the elderly, NHS services will be cut due to a lack of funds or libraries and other public services will close because there is no money. We never hear, "Foreign Aid is going to be slashed because of a lack of money." Never once is anything of that nature ever suggested. It is always cuts at home whilst tax payers money is given away to nations more wealthy than our own.
So I would like to see lower taxes here to encourage business and to create employment. I would also like to see Foreign Aid slashed. We are currently the second most generous country in the world giving away more money than any other country in the EU. (Don't quote percentages at me 10% of FA is still FA).