Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

You really need to work on this fetish hate of the EU you are suffering from
What a fool you are to rant on about "How can any organisation/country agree to laws to prevent hate language aimed at immigrants when they can't even attain equal opportunity within their own country/organisation for females and ethnic minorities."
Why does one preclude the other, just because you want that to be the case?
But no, you have thus mad grudge against the EU that means whatever they do is wrong.
My goodness if there ever is a case of ". Seems you are a complete stranger to both hypocrisy and irony. " applying to me, all I have to do is read your rants about the EU, which are so far off the beam that to defend the stance here you are defending the worst government that we have ever had with this tripe "But our government is led by a female, every ethnic group well represented and females in many positions. The EU can make none of those claims. Seems you are a complete stranger to both hypocrisy and irony."

Are you claiming something positive on behalf of a Government that sets out to deliberately starve the poor of it's own people? just because purely by chance there is a greater ethnic mix in it's representatives?
And ignore the plight of the poor in this country? to the extent the UN writes a report condemning our performance?

The EU has a policy to improve the mix, but it shouldn't be a case of stuffing positions with candidates that don't match up to the positional requirements just for the sake of being Politically correct.

You are far to quick to accuse others of your own all too obvious faults.

You really do rant and say nowt.Your answer is nothing to either do with thread topic or even our conversation. It's all utter nonsense. I, m not commenting any more on that topic.



The Labour MP resigned in order to help her family. Her son was convicted for having £2500 s worth of drugs at a music festival.
Is £2500 worth of (I assume) cannabis deemed personal use.???

 

[oldgroaner]

You really do rant and say nowt.

The Labour MP resigned in order to help her family. Her son was convicted for having £2500 s worth of drugs at a music festival.
Is £2500 worth of (I assume) cannabis deemed personal use.???

So what? that is not what we were discussing, as I said earlier where there is a crime it should be dealt with using the law.
Are you arguing against that principle?

 

[Danidl]

But our government is led by a female, every ethnic group well represented and females in many positions. The EU can make none of those claims. Seems you are a complete stranger to both hypocrisy and irony.
Our agreement with such a directive is perfectly in line with the diverse backgrounds demonstrated within bot HoC and HoL.
Its exactly same when Labour tell us all to follow equal opportunity employment guidelines and don't follow it themselves.
But I agree, it is quite a complicated concept to understand.. more so for some.
How can any organisation/country agree to laws to prevent hate language aimed at immigrants when they can't even attain equal opportunity within their own country/organisation for females and ethnic minorities. Its the height of hypocrisy. Do as I say not do as I do. What was it Christians tell us. Don't tell me about the spell in my eye when you have a log in yours... Well words to that affect.
Its not the laws or their origin, I actually agree with them, it's the lack of any attempts to put their own house in order yet adopt the laws. Tick box political correctness put in place by white (wealthy) males 95% of the time. Notice anything about the speaker ??

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/27/eu-criticised-leaving-out-ethnic-minorities-diversity-drive

https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/gender-equality/gender-balance-decision-making-positions_en

Yet the EU has under 25% females in its own decision making system... But they publish directives .. they fail to achieve, and have done for years. Are they really committed? I don't think so.

Zathlan, I gave you up to date figures and the number is around 36% female in all of the functions .. Parliament , commission, vice Presidents. By right it should be 50% ,bur 36% is closer.
Of 28 names listed as current or recently replaced judges of the ECJ , 7 appear to have female names. Now statistical analysis with small numbers presents its own problems and Poisson distribution is one of a variety of techniques. , So even an anomaly as far away as 7/28 is not statistically significant. ,

 

[Zlatan]

No.

 

[Zlatan]

Zathlan, I gave you up to date figures and the number is around 36% female in all of the functions .. Parliament , commission, vice Presidents. By right it should be 50% ,bur 36% is closer.
Of 28 names listed as current or recently replaced judges of the ECJ , 7 appear to have female names. Now statistical analysis with small numbers presents its own problems and Poisson distribution is one of a variety of techniques. , So even an anomaly as far away as 7/28 is not statistically significant. ,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/29/eu-is-too-white-brexit-likely-to-make-it-worse

The gender issue is not the only problem. Look at all prominent figures within EU.. It speaks for itself.
But to highlight..
There are only 3 MEPs of African descent. If population was properly represented there would be around 25.The EU has had years to get this sort of thing sorted. It has not. Despite numerous directives.

 

[oldgroaner]

Been checking on the ENF group who made the video about their version of truth regarding the agreement against hate speech, not only did they lie about what it means, but
Guess what? they are a far right group just like the renegades (and including most of them) that Farage associated with.

And they are the one who are most likely to end up prosecuted using laws against hate speech vilifying immigrants.

 

[oldgroaner]

Instead of answering the question with a truthful and dignified answer, she threatened to smash the reporter’s face in with a baseball bat.

Or was it a bucket of water?

 

[oldgroaner]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/29/eu-is-too-white-brexit-likely-to-make-it-worse

The gender issue is not the only problem. Look at all prominent figures within EU.. It speaks for itself.
But to highlight..
There are only 3 MEPs of African descent. If population was properly represented there would be around 25.The EU has had years to get this sort of thing sorted. It has not. Despite numerous directives.

Allow me to correct you
Assuming the accuracy of modern scientific opinion that all Humans originated in Africa, every single MEP's is of African descent.

 

[tillson]

Or was it a bucket of water?

Both. She threw water over the reporter and threatened to smash his face in with a baseball bat. Nice, a very dignified product of the equality mafia. How dare the public question her integrity

 

[Zlatan]

Allow me to correct you
Assuming the accuracy of modern scientific opinion that all Humans originated in Africa, every single MEP's is of African descent.

You talk garbage.
And only a white middle class half wit could dismiss the discrimination, prejudice and even cruelty perpetuated against those of African descent over the last 4 centuries.
Go out to Jamaica and explain to my friends there you are of African descent. You pratt.

 

[oldgroaner]

You talk garbage.

So now where human's originated is garbage?
very good

 

[Zlatan]

And it's not funny in the slightest.
There we have it, we don't need any discrimination laws because we are all from Africa... Just as long as you are white that is.. Pillock.
I wonder if KKK make same argument, or slave ships dropping folk off in West Indies to make cash for rich white folk... Yes, of course OG, slavery didn't happen. There is no discrimination anywhere.. What a clown.
Like I said only a white male could hold such views. In your little Hull enclave. Brilliant. You really need to get out more OG.

 

[oyster]

Shame they took so long to get to this point. Should have been told to abide by the law before the referendum. With gaol offered as an alternative.

Watchdog slams IEA over pro-Brexit report backed by Jacob Rees-Mogg

Charity Commission says rightwing thinktank ‘overstepped the line of what is permissible charitable activity’

A rightwing thinktank has been ordered by the charities watchdog to take down a pro-Brexit report on Britain’s economic prospects after it leaves the EU. The report was hailed by Jacob Rees-Mogg as the alternative to Theresa May’s proposals.


The Charity Commission told the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) to remove Plan A+: Creating a prosperous post-Brexit UK from its website and stop promoting the report.


A statement from the watchdog said the report had “overstepped the line of what is permissible charitable activity”.


Published in September, it had staunch backing from leading Brexiters including David Davis, Boris Johnson and former Treasury minister Greg Hands. Rees-Mogg, chair of the European Research Group (ERG) of Tory Brexiters, described it as the “most exciting contribution” to the debate in months.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/01/iea-brexit-jacob-rees-mogg-charity-commission

 

[Zlatan]

So now where human's originated is garbage?
very good

And no of course not. It's the fact an idiot like yourself uses it to dismiss the fact discrimination is going on now and in the very institution you hold in such regard. I wonder what your views would be if numbers were reversed. Ie 3 folk of European descent running eu and rest of African descent.

 

[oldgroaner]

You talk garbage.
And only a white middle class half wit could dismiss the discrimination, prejudice and even cruelty perpetuated against those of African descent over the last 4 centuries.
Go out to Jamaica and explain to my friends there you are of African descent. You pratt.

Oh god here you go again the chip on your shoulder is showing.
Let me put it simply.
This thread is about Brexit, not your personal crusade to right all the worlds wrongs,and your use of the term "White middle class half wit"
is racist because it stereotypes a person by colour and class, and belittles that person by denigrating their intelligence.
Not bad, for someone with a wish to make the world a better place.
And for your information if your comments were aimed at me they are innacurate on all counts
I am no half wit, even though I am wondering whether bothering to debate with you might actually undermine that claim
I am certainly not middle class.
Nor am I "White" for the only person I have actually ever seen that was, was dead.

As to that statement "And only a white middle class half wit could dismiss the discrimination, prejudice and even cruelty perpetuated against those of African descent over the last 4 centuries."

And you decide to kick him in the nadgers , give him and extra one for me

 

[oyster]

Shame they took so long to get to this point. Should have been told to abide by the law before the referendum. With gaol offered as an alternative.

Watchdog slams IEA over pro-Brexit report backed by Jacob Rees-Mogg

Charity Commission says rightwing thinktank ‘overstepped the line of what is permissible charitable activity’

We have seen a number of fines handed out recently for various things related to politics, public life, brexit. Some of the fines have been paltry and, even if much, much higher might not have acted as the disincentive to bad behaviour they are meant to.

I suggest that we need a step between a simple fine and gaol. After all, however much any of us might think they deserve that fate, it is unlikely to happen. Some sort of abrogation of their rights? Enforced disqualification as a director, secretary, trustee, public office holder, professional (e.g. lawyer or accountant), etc. Without redundancy or pension or other things that often soften the blow. And for an extended period.

 

[Zlatan]

Oh god here you go again the chip on your shoulder is showing.
Let me put it simply.
This thread is about Brexit, not your personal crusade to right all the worlds wrongs,and your use of the term "White middle class half wit"
is racist because it stereotypes a person by colour and class, and belittles that person by denigrating their intelligence.
Not bad, for someone with a wish to make the world a better place.
And for your information if your comments were aimed at me they are innacurate on all counts
I am no half wit, even though I am wondering whether bothering to debate with you might actually undermine that claim
I am certainly not middle class.
Nor am I "White" for the only person I have actually ever seen that was, was dead.

As to that statement "And only a white middle class half wit could dismiss the discrimination, prejudice and even cruelty perpetuated against those of African descent over the last 4 centuries."

And you decide to kick him in the nadgers , give him and extra one for me

Well stop answering.my comments then.
Your whole premise is ridiculous and since it came from you, you deserve the insult half wit.
Your argument denies any form of discrimination against folk of African descent because you are not white and besides we are all "out of Africa". It's simply a stupid comment and could only come from someone not of African descent and having never experienced discrimination. And by the way... You are middle class. Every single comment you make proves the fact.
But answer this if everything you say is true..
Is there racial discrimination against folk of African descent in EU?
And don't BS like you normally do.
Its yes... Or no.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finland_among_most_racist_countries_in_eu_study_says/10531670

This report is just rubbish then OG. We are all from Africa so what's the problem. You really are an idiot.
Read the whole report. Told you months ago UK was least racist country I have visited.
But according to you, since we are all African there is no racism.
There is institutional racism at the heart of our society and more so in EU than UK. Only people who don't want to understand it or can't understand the term would make statements like you have.
You are white, middle class and privileged. Problem is you don't even know.

 

[oyster]

Please remind me why it would be no problem at all trading under WTO terms? The ones that we know so well and are nice and stable. We'd know exactly where we stand as would our trading partners.

Until it all gets ripped up and revised to be something else entirely. Which - quite obviously - would only get agreed by the USA if they see it as being distinctly in their favour. Certainly not ours.

G20 agreement backs 'rules-based' order but bows to Trump on trade reforms

• Communique emerges from all-night talks
• US national security adviser John Bolton takes hardline stance

World leaders have signed off on an agreement which reaffirms a basic commitment by the world’s biggest economies to multilateral trade and a “rules-based international order”, but bows to US demands for urgent reform of the World Trade Organisation (WTO).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/01/g20-leaders-donald-trump-rules-based-order-wto-reform

 

[oldgroaner]

And it's not funny in the slightest.
There we have it, we don't need any discrimination laws because we are all from Africa... Just as long as you are white that is.. Pillock.
I wonder if KKK make same argument, or slave ships dropping folk off in West Indies to make cash for rich white folk... Yes, of course OG, slavery didn't happen. There is no discrimination anywhere.. What a clown.
Like I said only a white male could hold such views. In your little Hull enclave. Brilliant. You really need to get out more OG.

How the personal campaign to make an utter fool of yourself coming along?
So now there is a "little Hull enclave" you are clearly unaware of how much of the time you make a fool of yourself lashing out in such a contemptuous way
You are a racist, and you don't even know it with this "only a white male could hold such views"
And bigoted too with this
"Yes, of course OG, slavery didn't happen. There is no discrimination anywhere.. What a clown..

I remind you of several things
Arabs and local natives all participated in the capture shipment and indeed ownership of slaves as well as Europeans

In this "Little Hull Enclave" we know every bit as much about slavery as you do, it is drummed into us a school and on high street is the Home of William Wilberforce internationally regarded highly as fighting and gaining a law abolishing slavery
Sounds wonderful hmm?

Not really as the very same man wouldn't vote against exploiting child labour or to improve the dreadful working lives of the poor in this country,who were really slaves in all but name too.

I don't recall you ever standing up for the poor of this country,
And you have voted to free Governments in this country to take working conditions back to the bad times
What an idiot

 

[Zlatan]

How the personal campaign to make an utter fool of yourself coming along?
So now there is a "little Hull enclave" you are clearly unaware of how much of the time you make a fool of yourself lashing out in such a contemptuous way
You are a racist, and you don't even know it with this "only a white male could hold such views"
And bigoted too with this
"Yes, of course OG, slavery didn't happen. There is no discrimination anywhere.. What a clown..

I remind you of several things
Arabs and local natives all participated in the capture shipment and indeed ownership of slaves as well as Europeans

In this "Little Hull Enclave" we know every bit as much about slavery as you do, it is drummed into us a school and on high street is the Home of William Wilberforce internationally regarded highly as fighting and gaining a law abolishing slavery
Sounds wonderful hmm?

Not really as the very same man wouldn't vote against exploiting child labour or to improve the dreadful working lives of the poor in this country,who were really slaves in all but name too.

I don't recall you ever standing up for the poor of this country,
And you have voted to free Governments in this country to take working conditions back to the bad times
What an idiot

http://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2018/eumidis-ii-being-black

This is another pointless investigation according to OG... After all we are all from Africa. And you accuse me of showing myself up.