Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

This is reality for people of African descent living in EU. (a group certain idiot amongst us denies even exists as we are all of African descent)



I think anyone denying the existence of discrimination read the whole report OG. What good has all the laws and directives done when idiots like OG can dismiss even the existence of discrimination.
After all, we are all African descendents.

 

[oldtom]

Your generosity, OG, in suffering fools is manifesting itself as I have described more than once, thus:



In giving the idiots who infiltrate forums of various types the benefit of the doubt about what their motives might be, this is the result….every time!


Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

http://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2018/eumidis-ii-being-black

This is another pointless investigation according to OG... After all we are all from Africa. And you accuse me of showing myself up.

You are showing yourself up yet again
No one is denying the existence of discrimination , that is entirely a lie from your imagination to try and create a diversion, nd you do this far too often .
The EU isn't the cause of these problems, they are internal to the countries mentioned in the report.

Or are you blaming the EU for prejudice in this country?
If our Government won't enforce the law, how can they?
What is is that you want?

On the one hand you want to not have the EU in a position of power and at one and the same time for it to be so powerful that it can impose it's will over individual sovereign nations over something you have concerns about?

How stupid is that?

 

[Wicky]

Plus Kate Osamar was born and raised in Tottenham

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ishmael-osamor-class-a-drugs-bestival-kate-osamore-haringey-mp-a8613326.html

 

[Zlatan]

You didn't answer the question OG.. As expected.
And you are the one dismissing discrimination because we are all African descendents.

 

[Danidl]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/29/eu-is-too-white-brexit-likely-to-make-it-worse

The gender issue is not the only problem. Look at all prominent figures within EU.. It speaks for itself.
But to highlight..
There are only 3 MEPs of African descent. If population was properly represented there would be around 25.The EU has had years to get this sort of thing sorted. It has not. Despite numerous directives.

We end up going around in circles here. The members of the EU Parliament are not selected by the EU. They are selected by the political parties in each of the 28 countries ,from the people who choose to put themselves for election in each of the 650 seats. There is no overt discrimination.
The discussion was about female representation, so when that does not match your preconceived position you abruptly switch to race. I am not going to follow you down that rabbit hole

In the case of the western democracies, funding for political parties has been linked to gender equality and a requirement that parties have equal number of female and male candidates... I assume that is the directive to which you refer. Unfortunately ? or Fortunately? the political parties do not decide on who represents the people. It is the voters who do. Now you either accept that the people have a right to do so or not... I believe they do.
There has been no such directives for " people of colour" . But there would be court cases were there any impediments to any EU citizen of any colour being prevented from presenting themselves as a candidate.
It would help if you actually stayed on topic...

 

[oldgroaner]

You didn't answer the question OG.. As expected.
And you are the one dismissing discrimination because we are all African descendents.

let me dig around in your ramblings.
What question are you referring to? was this it?
"I wonder what your views would be if numbers were reversed. Ie 3 folk of European descent running eu and rest of African descent."

Er, am I supposed to be bothered for some reason,if they had been elected fairly?
By implication I'm supposed to be shocked and bothered?
Frankly I'm not
Care to explain why I should be?

Sorry Zlatan even my considerable patience is wearing thin, the matter is closed as far as I am concerned as off topic

 

[tillson]

Plus Kate Osamar was born and raised in Tottenham

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ishmael-osamor-class-a-drugs-bestival-kate-osamore-haringey-mp-a8613326.html

From that article, it’s actually worse than I initially thought. The son was convicted of Possession of Class A drugs with intent to supply. That is drugs such as Heroin and Crack, the life wrecking stuff. He was profiting from destroyed the lives of vulnerable people his mother is supposed to be representing. Her response is to employ him as her Head of Communication.

Both are worthless scum who should be locked up.

 

[oldgroaner]

Frim yhat article, it’s actually worse than I thought. The son was convicted of Possession of Class A drugs with intent to supply. That is drugs such as Heroin and Crack, the life wrecking stuff. He was profiting from destroyed lives of vulnerable people his mother is supposed to be representing. Her response is to employ him as her Head of Communication.

Both are worthless scum who should be locked up.

Where the law has been broken yes, but not on your say so

 

[Zlatan]

Where the law has been broken yes, but not on your say so

That's pointless. Tillson was expressing an opinion. A perfectly valid one. He wasn't suggesting we actually punish any one on his say so. The entire thread is dominated by your opinions.
And yes they should be locked up.

 

[oldgroaner]

That's pointless. Tillson was expressing an opinion. A perfectly valid one. He wasn't suggesting we actually punish any one on his say so. The entire thread is dominated by your opinions.

"Both are worthless scum who should be locked up."
So that wasn't his say so?
Good grief, you are really losing your way

 

[Zlatan]

We end up going around in circles here. The members of the EU Parliament are not selected by the EU. They are selected by the political parties in each of the 28 countries ,from the people who choose to put themselves for election in each of the 650 seats. There is no overt discrimination.
The discussion was about female representation, so when that does not match your preconceived position you abruptly switch to race. I am not going to follow you down that rabbit hole

In the case of the western democracies, funding for political parties has been linked to gender equality and a requirement that parties have equal number of female and male candidates... I assume that is the directive to which you refer. Unfortunately ? or Fortunately? the political parties do not decide on who represents the people. It is the voters who do. Now you either accept that the people have a right to do so or not... I believe they do.
There has been no such directives for " people of colour" . But there would be court cases were there any impediments to any EU citizen of any colour being prevented from presenting themselves as a candidate.
It would help if you actually stayed on topic...

Yes, I agree. The EU laws and directives have not worked and are not working. It's one of reasons I voted leave. Continually suggesting there is not a problem when the EU organisation itself demonstrates that very problem is a sad indictment of the organisation.
Its very similar to Labour insisting on equal opportunity employment laws and then prevalent members of the party behaving as they have. It puts voters off in the same way the EU, s inability to solve the issues discussed put people off the EU.
Just dismissing the issue because the EU go through motions of curing the problem is not really accepting there is an issue in first place.
There is just as much racial discrimination and tension, probably more, than 20 years ago. Perhaps it would help if the distribution of EU leaders represented the same racial distribution as the people they purport to represent.
The EU has actually increased intolerance and racial division through there blunt attempts at lessening it, as demonstrated by the rise in right wing factions.
The problems have not arisen just because of numbers or placement of immigrants. The EU is racist in its make up. (As their own report even suggests)

 

[tillson]

Where the law has been broken yes, but not on your say so

The law had been broken. He’s been convicted in a court. Scum, both of them. They belong in a prison cell.

 

[tillson]

"Both are worthless scum who should be locked up."
So that wasn't his say so?
Good grief, you are really losing your way

They both belong under lock & key. Scum son for being convicted of pushing class A drugs. Scum mother for abusing her public office and hiring a drug pusher as head of communication, lying to parliament and behaving like a wild animal when being brought to task.

 

[flecc]

The EU has actually increased intolerance and racial division through there blunt attempts at lessening it, as demonstrated by the rise in right wing factions.
The problems have not arisen just because of numbers or placement of immigrants. The EU is racist in its make up. (As their own report even suggests)

Why don't you get it Zlatan, goodness knows I've explained this so many times to you?

All these matters you complain of about the EU are national matters controlled by member countries. The EU can only issue guidances in the hope that nations comply, but the EU cannot enforce compliance. They can't even determine the mix of people elected or put forward to serve.

Those controls can only happen if and when the EU countries finally become a single nation ruled by the European parliament.

Meanwhile the EU's chief function is not to govern everything nations do but to work towards Europe becoming a single nation. The laws they pass to expedite that are subject to the acceptance of nations which they cannot enforce.

Please don't bother to reply with what you think they should do since your thoughts on this matter have no point. The EU's modus operandi has long been specified democratically by member nations and their appointed representatives in the EU Commission.
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[Zlatan]

What do we expect of Labour MPs when one of Corbyn's sons plans on making millions selling drug paraphernalia and other is appointed by Corbyn's closest ally to work in a position paid by us. Yet, they push equal opportunity as a guiding ethos. Bull ****.

 

[Zlatan]

Why don't you get it Zlatan, goodness knows I've explained this so many times to you?

All these matters you complain of about the EU are national matters controlled by member countries. The EU can only issue guidances in the hope that nations comply, but the EU cannot enforce compliance. They can't even determine the mix of people elected or put forward to serve.

Those controls can only happen if and when the EU countries finally become a single nation ruled by the European parliament.

Meanwhile the EU's chief function is not to govern everything nations do but to work towards Europe becoming a single nation. The laws they pass to expedite that are subject to the acceptance of nations which they cannot enforce.

Please don't bother to reply with what you think they should do since your thoughts on this matter have no point. The EU's modus operandi has long been specified democratically by member nations and their appointed representatives in the EU Commission.
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Of course they are not the responsibility of individual countries. Look at make up of none elected members.Nothing in EU represents an equal racial distribution. Wherever you look. Especially the ones in direct control by EU bodies.
Its like saying FA isn't racist because they can only appoint those that apply.
Both institutions claim and offer evidence they are not racist but by any objective measure both plainly are.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-blind-to-diversity-whiteout-european-parliament/


Why don't you get it Flecc. The EU is far more racist and discriminatory than UK .Us becoming more ingrained in EU will make matters worse. Our government shows way more diversity than EU...

 

[flecc]

The EU is far more racist and discriminatory than UK .

The EU is so non-racist that it's just let about 2 million migrants of various ethnicities into their territories. They've made no real attempt to stop them, indeed have even encouraged member countries to rescue them from boats to bring them in the last stage. And the EU is content for member countries to keep the migrants permanently.

That's the evidence, your phobic hatred of the EU isn't.
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[tillson]

OG, you have warned many times of civil unrest as a result of us leaving the EU. Will this civil unrest be like that currently taking place in France, who are EU members?

 

[Fingers]

You really do rant and say nowt.Your answer is nothing to either do with thread topic or even our conversation. It's all utter nonsense. I, m not commenting any more on that topic.



The Labour MP resigned in order to help her family. Her son was convicted for having £2500 s worth of drugs at a music festival.
Is £2500 worth of (I assume) cannabis deemed personal use.???

I agree but he had a lot of powder and pills that made up that amount.

It wasn't just gear.