Brexit, for once some facts.

Zlatan

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Can't you read either? this is from the UN and we are directly affected regardless of what the EU do
You obviously can't listen. The participating countries will be signing agreements in Morocco. Speaker even quotes criticism of Merkel's immigrants will be outlawed.
Or perhaps you know which Countries will be signing up and which won't..
 

oldtom

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It's just a quiet Saturday but this has just emerged in the news:

HS2 rail chairman Sir Terry Morgan tells BBC he expects to be sacked within days, months after getting job

In days of old when knights were bold……yeah! Today, they're just 'merchant bankers' and when this one is binned, they should bin the whole project with him. It's just a tory vanity project which will make their friends richer but at astronomical cost to the taxpayer.

Tom
 

oldgroaner

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You obviously can't listen. The participating countries will be signing agreements in Morocco. Speaker even quotes criticism of Merkel's immigrants will be outlawed.
Or perhaps you know which Countries will be signing up and which won't..
I did listen, so far these are the ones who are refusing to sign
So far, the US, Slovakia Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, Austria, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Australia and Israel have all rejected the UN Pact on migration.
Do you see our name there?
 
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Danidl

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I’m pleased you find it racist, which means in the real world that it probably isn’t.

She deserves no respect whatsoever.

She was born in the U.K. to Nigerian parents who clearly failed to include civilised behaviour into her upbringing.

She lied to the HoC

A reporter asked her a legitimate question on behalf of the public.

She reacted like some sort of wild animal.

She should go, but that won’t happen.
I like to gather a few facts before making additional comments..
The event with the reporter occurred at her home so after him remaining after he had been told to leave... the term ...off was used,he was trespassing. The total sum of the assault was that a trespasser had a bucket of water thrown over him. That is, of course consistent with her working at home.. perhaps ,washing the doorstep? There was no statement that a bat was ever seen or employed and she contacted the police about him stalking her. If the police seek to question her under caution about threatening a trespasser, that is their right.
Misleading Parliament on a personal matter is not acceptable, but it is not as severe as lying about matters of state by Ministers,which apparently is acceptable.
And yes i do believe your post was racist in tone. I also believe a majority of unbiassed people would agree.
 

Zlatan

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I did listen, so far these are the ones who are refusing to sign
So far, the US, Slovakia Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, Austria, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Australia and Israel have all rejected the UN Pact on migration.
Do you see our name there?
But our government is led by a female, every ethnic group well represented and females in many positions. The EU can make none of those claims. Seems you are a complete stranger to both hypocrisy and irony.
Our agreement with such a directive is perfectly in line with the diverse backgrounds demonstrated within bot HoC and HoL.
Its exactly same when Labour tell us all to follow equal opportunity employment guidelines and don't follow it themselves.
But I agree, it is quite a complicated concept to understand.. more so for some.
How can any organisation/country agree to laws to prevent hate language aimed at immigrants when they can't even attain equal opportunity within their own country/organisation for females and ethnic minorities. Its the height of hypocrisy. Do as I say not do as I do. What was it Christians tell us. Don't tell me about the spell in my eye when you have a log in yours... Well words to that affect.
Its not the laws or their origin, I actually agree with them, it's the lack of any attempts to put their own house in order yet adopt the laws. Tick box political correctness put in place by white (wealthy) males 95% of the time. Notice anything about the speaker ??

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/27/eu-criticised-leaving-out-ethnic-minorities-diversity-drive

https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/gender-equality/gender-balance-decision-making-positions_en

Yet the EU has under 25% females in its own decision making system... But they publish directives .. they fail to achieve, and have done for years. Are they really committed? I don't think so.
 
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oyster

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It's just a quiet Saturday but this has just emerged in the news:

HS2 rail chairman Sir Terry Morgan tells BBC he expects to be sacked within days, months after getting job

In days of old when knights were bold……yeah! Today, they're just 'merchant bankers' and when this one is binned, they should bin the whole project with him. It's just a tory vanity project which will make their friends richer but at astronomical cost to the taxpayer.

Tom
Certainly HS2 has little appeal to vast numbers of people who will be negatively affected by it but gain little or no benefit. I suggest the Chilterns as one obvious example - massive disruption during the build, massive impacts, but will very likely take longer to get from there to Manchester, Leeds, Edinburgh, wherever, than at present. They first have to travel miles into London - or north - before they can board one.
 
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tillson

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I like to gather a few facts before making additional comments..
The event with the reporter occurred at her home so after him remaining after he had been told to leave... the term ...off was used,he was trespassing. The total sum of the assault was that a trespasser had a bucket of water thrown over him. That is, of course consistent with her working at home.. perhaps ,washing the doorstep? There was no statement that a bat was ever seen or employed and she contacted the police about him stalking her. If the police seek to question her under caution about threatening a trespasser, that is their right.
Misleading Parliament on a personal matter is not acceptable, but it is not as severe as lying about matters of state by Ministers,which apparently is acceptable.
And yes i do believe your post was racist in tone. I also believe a majority of unbiassed people would agree.
Boiling all the crap out of the above;

She lied.

She had questions to answer. Questions the public (her employers) have a right to expect answered.

Instead of answering the question with a truthful and dignified answer, she threatened to smash the reporter’s face in with a baseball bat.

The call to the police is a distraction technique, calculated to divert attention away from her own wrongdoing. I’m guessing had there been no witnesses, she would have accused him of making a racist remark. That trumps everything.

Conduct befitting an International Development Secretary would have been to explain why she lied about being unaware of her son’s illegal drug activity.

As much as I disagree with his politics and reason to be in the Labour Party, her Nigerian descendant colleague, Chaka Umunna at least knows how to conduct himself in public. He articulates himself well and is worthy of respect.

The Labour International Development Secrety on the other hand is non of the above. She is a liar, deceitful,aggressive and conducts herself like an animal. She needs putting in a cage until she calms down. I say that based entirely on her conduct.
 
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Zlatan

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Isn't it her son who was dealing...?
Yes, but he was allegedly employed by his mother at which time she claimed to know nothing of his arrest, even though it happened before the job was available, and it's claimed she wrote a letter to Judge asking for leniency towards him.
And, is her son actually the best person available for employment in first place.
Its exactly why we have equal opportunity employment laws in first place, yet it seems Labour administration just ignore them. (very similar story around Corbyn's son getting employment and opening a drug paraphernalia business) Is this really what our labour now represents.??
And then we wonder why Labour must simply wait to inherit power from a failing tory party.
 
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tillson

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And, is her son actually the best person available for employment in first place.
Its exactly why we have equal opportunity employment laws in first place,
I’m afraid I must intervene here. That is not the reason we have Equal Opportunity legislation. The legislation exists in order to “shoehorn” people into jobs for which they are entirely unsuitable, ill equipped to discharge the responsibilities and wouldn’t stand a snowball in Hell’s chance of securing in a fair and open recruitment environment.
 

Zlatan

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I’m afraid I must intervene here. That is not the reason we have Equal Opportunity legislation. The legislation exists in order to “shoehorn” people into jobs for which they are entirely unsuitable, ill equipped to discharge the responsibilities and wouldn’t stand a snowball in Hell’s chance of securing in a fair and open recruitment environment.
Can't help but agree, because it's obviously abused so much. If rules were followed and behaved in the true spirit of the rulings incidents like the one discussed simply would not occur.
Like I said earlier government, educational, civil service etc etc posts should be anonymous applications.
Your view of the discrimination laws is inevitable and wide spread when it's used as it has been.
What I find extremely distasteful is the hypocrisy of the labour movement abusing rules introduced to help disadvantaged groups and not sons of prominent MPs. It's exactly what Labour should be above reproach with. They are as bad, if not worse than the money grabbing section of the tories.
 
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Zlatan

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Whose money are you referring to? as usual you talk rot
That comment is one of the few real truths anyone has said.
We can all bend racism and use claims of it to justify our stand point. We all do it all the time.(the money point was obviously a throw away comment saying he agreed with Tilston, you know full well what he meant)
 
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oldgroaner

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But our government is led by a female, every ethnic group well represented and females in many positions. The EU can make none of those claims. Seems you are a complete stranger to both hypocrisy and irony.
Our agreement with such a directive is perfectly in line with the diverse backgrounds demonstrated within bot HoC and HoL.
Its exactly same when Labour tell us all to follow equal opportunity employment guidelines and don't follow it themselves.
But I agree, it is quite a complicated concept to understand.. more so for some.
How can any organisation/country agree to laws to prevent hate language aimed at immigrants when they can't even attain equal opportunity within their own country/organisation for females and ethnic minorities. Its the height of hypocrisy. Do as I say not do as I do. What was it Christians tell us. Don't tell me about the spell in my eye when you have a log in yours... Well words to that affect.
Its not the laws or their origin, I actually agree with them, it's the lack of any attempts to put their own house in order yet adopt the laws. Tick box political correctness put in place by white (wealthy) males 95% of the time. Notice anything about the speaker ??

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/27/eu-criticised-leaving-out-ethnic-minorities-diversity-drive

https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/gender-equality/gender-balance-decision-making-positions_en

Yet the EU has under 25% females in its own decision making system... But they publish directives .. they fail to achieve, and have done for years. Are they really committed? I don't think so.

You really need to work on this fetish hate of the EU you are suffering from
What a fool you are to rant on about "How can any organisation/country agree to laws to prevent hate language aimed at immigrants when they can't even attain equal opportunity within their own country/organisation for females and ethnic minorities."
Why does one preclude the other, just because you want that to be the case?
But no, you have thus mad grudge against the EU that means whatever they do is wrong.
My goodness if there ever is a case of ". Seems you are a complete stranger to both hypocrisy and irony. " applying to me, all I have to do is read your rants about the EU, which are so far off the beam that to defend the stance here you are defending the worst government that we have ever had with this tripe "But our government is led by a female, every ethnic group well represented and females in many positions. The EU can make none of those claims. Seems you are a complete stranger to both hypocrisy and irony."

Are you claiming something positive on behalf of a Government that sets out to deliberately starve the poor of it's own people? just because purely by chance there is a greater ethnic mix in it's representatives?
And ignore the plight of the poor in this country? to the extent the UN writes a report condemning our performance?

The EU has a policy to improve the mix, but it shouldn't be a case of stuffing positions with candidates that don't match up to the positional requirements just for the sake of being Politically correct.

You are far to quick to accuse others of your own all too obvious faults.
 
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