Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

40% of young adults can’t afford to buy a house. Just shows what an impact the higher cost of the iPhone X and Xs has had on young people’s finances. Add on top of that, student loan repayments for pretend degrees taken in pretend subjects at pretend universities and it starts to looks pretty bleak. I can see a time, in the not to distant future, when they won’t be able go travelling in order to find themselves.

Except of course for the offspring of the Elite but then a vote for Brexit was a fillip for the offshore bank accounts, wasn't it?

Wonder why they are more deserving, when they too haven't done a damn thing to deserve it?
Where they born with a right to these things because their parents were either more fortunate themselves, or even because their parents had put in the work and could afford to indulge them?

Why is one child considered more deserving than another?
Sorry that doesn't work for me at all
I can see a time too, when these same young people with "Pretend degrees"in "Pretend Subjects" become very unhappy with the "pretend Jobs" they are offered after their hard work to get them.

They are likely to be very unhappy too what they perceive as an injustice at being denied the goodies that they imagine the previous generation got so easlily and clutch to their bosoms (rightly or wrongly )and deny them, and react in a very unpleasant way.

Indeed they will not go travelling to find themselves, but for far less sociably acceptable reasons
Brexit had better work, or this section of the public will be the cause of big trouble.

 

[oldtom]

Why is one child considered more deserving than another? Sorry that doesn't work for me at all

Nor me. I wonder how many of the elite fail to take up child benefit even though they don't need it at all.

Tom

 

[gray198]

Possibly but the mess already made by the conservatives will take much longer than that time scale to be corrected

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I think the problem is the way our political parties

40% of young adults can’t afford to buy a house. Just shows what an impact the higher cost of the iPhone X and Xs has had on young people’s finances. Add on top of that, student loan repayments for pretend degrees taken in pretend subjects at pretend universities and it starts to looks pretty bleak. I can see a time, in the not to distant future, when they won’t be able go travelling in order to find themselves.

a lot of them are at Uni until 20 plus then they want a gap year to go travelling. Might start work at 23/ 24. I'd been at work nearly 10 years by then. Is it any wonder they can't afford a house. What annoys me is that they talk as if we had it easy. They say oh we have to have 2 jobs to make ends meet. What's new. I had 2 jobs. My wife had 3. It was something you just got on with, because we had not been conditioned to think we were entitled. They expect far too much for too little effort now

 

[oldgroaner]

I think the problem is the way our political parties

a lot of them are at Uni until 20 plus then they want a gap year to go travelling. Might start work at 23/ 24. I'd been at work nearly 10 years by then. Is it any wonder they can't afford a house. What annoys me is that they talk as if we had it easy. They say oh we have to have 2 jobs to make ends meet. What's new. I had 2 jobs. My wife had 3. It was something you just got on with, because we had not been conditioned to think we were entitled. They expect far too much for too little effort now

Of course that is one valid viewpoint, but there is another, they feel that they have passed up easy money to devote a lot of effort into getting degrees that they were assured would give them all the goodies they see people who passed straight out of a comprehensive and went into work enjoy and a great deal more.
Only to work at menial jobs.
The real questions should be

1. Who conditioned them into this belief
2. Why was it done?

After all further education is one of those things that the government use to reduce the unemployment figures, and haven't they all of all stripes said the most important thing is "Education/education/education"
And on top of that the Universities have been as tillson correctly points out creating a market based economy to create degree courses that are really no worth the paper they are written on when compared with the requirements of the real world.
Don't blame the kids, the system is at Fault

 

[flecc]

I think the problem is the way our political parties

a lot of them are at Uni until 20 plus then they want a gap year to go travelling. Might start work at 23/ 24. I'd been at work nearly 10 years by then. Is it any wonder they can't afford a house. What annoys me is that they talk as if we had it easy. They say oh we have to have 2 jobs to make ends meet. What's new. I had 2 jobs. My wife had 3. It was something you just got on with, because we had not been conditioned to think we were entitled. They expect far too much for too little effort now

Indeed, and most of us had to cope with two years National Service on 28 shillings a week (£1.40) between the crucial ages of 18 to 26. Not good for saving to buy a house for over £2600 then.
.

 

[flecc]

haven't they all of all stripes said the most important thing is "Education/education/education"

The intention of that government message was always to promote takeup of useful education in technology and science to further our national future.

Not media studies.
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[oldgroaner]

Indeed, and most of us had to cope with two years National Service on 28 shillings a week (£1.40) between the crucial ages of 18 to 26. Not good for saving to buy a house for over £2600 then.
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A Government spokesman said "You should be jolly pleased to have had a free roof over your head for two years you 'orrible lot! and get your 'air cut!

 

[oldgroaner]

The intention of that government message was always to promote takeup of useful education in technology and science to further our national future.

Not media studies.
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And what is the Road to Hell allegedly paved with? having come out with the slogans no effort was expended to ensure the emphasis on the right curriculum was there?

As always with anything the Government gets involved with it went completely off the rails rather on the lines where we set of to create the advanced passenger train and ended up the InterCity 125's
Only is the case of University degree course types, Sammy the Shunter would have been a better parallel

 

[flecc]

A Government spokesman said "You should be jolly pleased to have had a free roof over your head for two years you 'orrible lot! and get your 'air cut!

That wasn't a government spokesman, it was me!

Sergeant Flecc.
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[oyster]

Was the referendum question: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union and break up the UK?

Most English Tory voters would be happy to see UK break up as price of Brexit, survey suggests - Politics live
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/oct/08/labour-and-tory-mayors-unite-to-demand-they-take-back-control-of-regional-spending-after-brexit-politics-live

 

[oldgroaner]

That wasn't a government spokesman, it was me!

Sergeant Flecc.
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I was the 'air cut

 

[flecc]

no effort was expended to ensure the emphasis on the right curriculum was there?

They didn't even need to do that, the answer was very simple. The student grants should only be available for their approved courses.

Those wanting to study their hobby subjects of little benefit to the nation left to finance themselves.
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[Zlatan]

MY SOUL HAS A HAT

I counted my years
& realized that I have
Less time to live by,
Than I have lived so far.

I feel like a child who won a pack of candies: at first he ate them with pleasure
But when he realized that there was little left, he began to taste them intensely.

I have no time for endless meetings
where the statutes, rules, procedures & internal regulations are discussed,
knowing that nothing will be done.

I no longer have the patience
To stand absurd people who,
despite their chronological age,
have not grown up.

My time is too short:
I want the essence,
my spirit is in a hurry.
I do not have much candy
In the package anymore.

I want to live next to humans,
very realistic people who know
How to laugh at their mistakes,
Who are not inflated by their own triumphs
& who take responsibility for their actions.
In this way, human dignity is defended
and we live in truth and honesty.

It is the essentials that make life useful.
I want to surround myself with people
who know how to touch the hearts of those whom hard strokes of life
have learned to grow with sweet touches of the soul.

Yes, I'm in a hurry.
I'm in a hurry to live with the intensity that only maturity can give.
I do not intend to waste any of the remaining desserts.

I am sure they will be exquisite,
much more than those eaten so far.
My goal is to reach the end satisfied
and at peace with my loved ones and my conscience.

We have two lives & the second begins when you realize you only have one.

Mario de Andrade. Not Zlatan's.

 

[flecc]

MY SOUL HAS A HAT

Mario de Andrade.

Bloody immigrants.
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[oldgroaner]

Bloody immigrants.
.

One would think
With all this wit
Shakespeare himself
Came here to ****

 

[oyster]

Bloody immigrants.
.

Andrade was born in São Paulo and lived there virtually all of his life.

 

[gray198]

Of course that is one valid viewpoint, but there is another, they feel that they have passed up easy money to devote a lot of effort into getting degrees that they were assured would give them all the goodies they see people who passed straight out of a comprehensive and went into work enjoy and a great deal more.
Only to work at menial jobs.
The real questions should be

1. Who conditioned them into this belief
2. Why was it done?

After all further education is one of those things that the government use to reduce the unemployment figures, and haven't they all of all stripes said the most important thing is "Education/education/education"
And on top of that the Universities have been as tillson correctly points out creating a market based economy to create degree courses that are really no worth the paper they are written on when compared with the requirements of the real world.
Don't blame the kids, the system is at Fault

OG I agree with you. It was Blair who wante\d everyone to go to university. I suppose a good way to keep them off unemployment figures. As you say they were conned and in the real world would have been a lot better learning a trade but were led to believe there was a pot of gold at the end

 

[oldtom]

Might start work at 23/ 24. I'd been at work nearly 10 years by then. Is it any wonder they can't afford a house. What annoys me is that they talk as if we had it easy. They say oh we have to have 2 jobs to make ends meet. What's new. I had 2 jobs. My wife had 3. It was something you just got on with, because we had not been conditioned to think we were entitled. They expect far too much for too little effort now

I'm bound to say 'gray198' that I accord with all of that. The youth who grew up next door to me didn't leave uni till he was 27 having gone there straight after school. He went on to soar in the world of metallurgy, becoming god-like among his peers in that world. I never envied him much as he was an eternal bookworm who rode a proper lightweight racing bike, (with Reynold's tubing), he boasted to me one day. I had a Raleigh something that I couldn't even ride up some of the local hills!

I really envy all these young people their gap year during which they do whatever they like and I wish there was a political party that would campaign to have that opportunity backdated to all those of us who didn't have the opportunity, had to work to support the family, and were forced to pay income tax on our meagre pittance of a wage from the age of 14 or 15.

Having said that, I couldn't risk going very far as I can't get travel insurance any more. Hey ho!

Tom

 

[oyster]

Despite the wonderful world of brexit...

Jaguar Land Rover to shut Solihull plant for two weeks after China sales slump

The facility, which employs 9,000 staff, will close from 22 October

Pretty bad if they open again, even in November, close for Christmas, open in January, then shut in March.

 

[wheeler]

Was the referendum question: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union and break up the UK?

Most English Tory voters would be happy to see UK break up as price of Brexit, survey suggests - Politics live
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/oct/08/labour-and-tory-mayors-unite-to-demand-they-take-back-control-of-regional-spending-after-brexit-politics-live

Do they know where they would like their Trident missiles delivered?

wheeler