No, make him prime minister... At least he has a sense of humour!
Brexit, for once some facts.
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From the Telegraph this morning
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Government whips in talks with 25 Labour MPs to push Chequers deal through Parliament
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Government whips in talks with 25 Labour MPs to push Chequers deal through Parliament
for the vote to be meaningful, parliament should have a free vote.
In the Guardian
UK welcome to join Pacific trade pact after Brexit, says Japanese PM
Britain would be welcomed ‘with open arms, Shinzo Abe says, in remarks likely to be seized on by Brexiters
TPP took seven years to negotiate and was drafted in part to counter China’s dominance in Asia. Japan and Australia had lobbied hard for the agreement, which aims to eliminate trading barriers and tariffs on industrial and farm products across the 11-nation bloc whose trade totalled $356bn last year.
I think we should seriously think about the decision to chum up to this lot, or are we hoping to sell the Japanese cars to the Japanese?
Let's face it they will use us as a dumping ground and the reason they want a deal is to prevent the Chinese getting in.
Compared to them we have the Industrial,engineering and Managerial skills of a third world country they can rip off.
Which is exactly wht they will proceed to do.
And certain offshore bank accounts will be the only beneficiaries, as they buy up whatever infrastucture takes their fancy.
This country will not end up as Brexiteers claimed "under the thumb of the EU"
But rather bought and sold for Far East Gold, and the gap between rich and poor as great as that in Singapore.
UK welcome to join Pacific trade pact after Brexit, says Japanese PM
Britain would be welcomed ‘with open arms, Shinzo Abe says, in remarks likely to be seized on by Brexiters
TPP took seven years to negotiate and was drafted in part to counter China’s dominance in Asia. Japan and Australia had lobbied hard for the agreement, which aims to eliminate trading barriers and tariffs on industrial and farm products across the 11-nation bloc whose trade totalled $356bn last year.
I think we should seriously think about the decision to chum up to this lot, or are we hoping to sell the Japanese cars to the Japanese?
Let's face it they will use us as a dumping ground and the reason they want a deal is to prevent the Chinese getting in.
Compared to them we have the Industrial,engineering and Managerial skills of a third world country they can rip off.
Which is exactly wht they will proceed to do.
And certain offshore bank accounts will be the only beneficiaries, as they buy up whatever infrastucture takes their fancy.
This country will not end up as Brexiteers claimed "under the thumb of the EU"
But rather bought and sold for Far East Gold, and the gap between rich and poor as great as that in Singapore.
Any trade deal which comes about from the queue that formed will very likely be primarily to their advantage (other countries/organisations), not ours.
Amusing comment in the Independent from Andrew Norman about the announcement
"Sunday Times splashes with the exhilarating news that the UK has war gamed a cyberattack on Moscow with the capacity to “put the lights out in the Kremlin”.
His response was this
"As for the Russian ability to launch a cyberattack on Britain which, the Sunday Times insists, would cause power blackouts, bring chaos to the roads and paralyse the NHS, she’d probably be doing us a favour if she did. How the hell else are we supposed effectively to war game a no-deal Brexit?
Funny, but I would have expected any responsible UK Government
to have done so already
Did I say that out loud? pardon me.
"Sunday Times splashes with the exhilarating news that the UK has war gamed a cyberattack on Moscow with the capacity to “put the lights out in the Kremlin”.
His response was this
"As for the Russian ability to launch a cyberattack on Britain which, the Sunday Times insists, would cause power blackouts, bring chaos to the roads and paralyse the NHS, she’d probably be doing us a favour if she did. How the hell else are we supposed effectively to war game a no-deal Brexit?
Funny, but I would have expected any responsible UK Government
to have done so already
Did I say that out loud? pardon me.
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The notion of a "Free Vote" is rather hard to connect with a Parliament of bought and paid for representatives of oligarchs and lobby groups,plus of course a handful that no one will shell out money on as they are considered loose cannons, and liable to do something unsavoury such as having (spits on the floor) socialist ideas intended to benefit the Public
The notion of a free vote has merit however, so why don't they give that option to the public?
I am for UK to join TPP. It's a much looser association than the EU and without a political dimension.
it's up to JC to gift it to TM. He has only to say the word.
This is a problem for the electorate as these are tory, career politicians operating under a flag of convenience, individuals known to have voted previously with the tories in the lobbies and several of them are under investigation by their constituency Labour Party groups considering deselection.
The tory media would have the public believe that these are 'centrist' politicians but they are nothing of the sort - they are right-wing Blairites who would ensure 'tory-lite' policies would be the best the country could hope for instead of the real reform that the country so badly needs, should they ever come to power.
No doubt sections of the media will home in on the TPP 'opportunity' that has emerged according to Japan's PM. Since the USA has broken away from that very group, the other countries are desperate to fill the gaping hole so they can offload their export goods that would otherwise be snapped up in America. For the UK to enter into that group would be akin to taking a swim in a pond full of hungry piranhas.
The EU still looks like the best deal in town compared to all the other alternatives.
Tom
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What will we gain from it when as a member of the EU we would have the same terms with Japan?
Why settle for second best and without any of the EU protective cover?
The warnings couldn't really be clearer, could they?
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very often, the economic trade-offs clash with political trade offs because of discrepancies in wages and social benefits.
Keeping them separate gives stability and flexibility.
The UK can for example keep to voluntary regulatory alignment with the EU on goods, while signing up to TPP because of that flexibility.
For the next few years, we should stay in the customs union until max fac technology is in place.
I'm not clear what flexibility we will gain in a very much one way dumping agreeement with the Far East
if you give the vote to the public, you run into the same problem with the last referendum which is a cop out for divided parties (both Labour and Conservatives). Parliament is better equipped to deal with compromises instead of the dictatorial winner takes all outcome of referenda.
Might not be as overt as other organisations, but absolutely it has a political dimension. It is simply impossible to have a trade organisation without such a dimension.
TPP (or CPTTP) is not about dumping or anti dumping. It's about balancing imports and exports to promote trade and productivity. Countries need stability and predictability.
The stated aim of the EU is political union. The economic union (the SM) is just a stepping stone.
BTW, no other trading bloc has a political dimension like the EU.